Curt's Invitation - Prove God Exists!

[Sidhe]

dont be rediculous, you know what the point was, youre just trying to derail a discussion because we've exhausted it. Agnostics and Athiests are incredulous, so there's no point to trying to argue with them about prood of God

To be honest the OP derailed the discussion, it just took a while for everyone to figure it out.

you should of said:-

There's no point trying to argue about the existence of God

Philosophy has no answers, arguing is fruitless, discussion isn't, but argument is.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

well put

so what do we do now?

 

[Sidhe]

God Know's I've typed half a dozen answers and deleted them all, go with the flow I guess?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

ive just about exhausted Allah my thoughts on this subject

 

[GenMarshall]

Perhaps we can just let this thread fall into the abyss of the second pages and forgotten about?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

the only problem is this : we mus limit the number of posters here...

 

[CurtSibling]

Prove to me that BEAUTY exists - A golden chance to silence those who would silence Curt Silbing!

Now I want to lay down some rules:

(1) I want something that could be evidence, not just anecdotes and personal imaginings of beauty.

(2) I don't want unproductive answers like: 'You have to see it for yourself'...That is copping out.

(3) I don't want the predictable 'Prove beauty doesn't exist' line. You are the believer, not me!

(4) If you think beauty is something in your personal mindspace...Share the insights with us!

(5) This thread is not about me or any particular artist, just go ahead and give evidence for us all.

I do not submit this as proof of anything. I suggest only that there are valid ways of thinking that are not scientific. Perhaps God exists there.

Please start a new topic on this if you want, but don't muddy up my thread!

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[Perfection]

Perfection
The very existance of a working car proves THAT theory being right.
The very lack of any possibilities to ever recreate "real" evolution or Big Bang proves it being nothing more then a theory without any real proof.
If you could make a frog from a fish - I'd believe in evolution.
Can you?
Or repeat the Big Bang (any version)?
NO!
And that's why THOSE theories are not more provable than the religion itself - or even less.

Recreation isn't the only way to prove something scientifically! You can't recreate planets, so why should you believe they orbit around the sun? You can't recreate the Earth so why should you believe it's not flat?

You can do it by carefully observing and measuring its properties! Using geometry I can prove that Earth is not flat. The same is true with evolution, using careful observation and measurement you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that evolution is in fact correct!

But really you're neglecting the point I was making. That is that the scientific community has already proven itself to be correct to you through all the applied sciences, why are you suddenly derriding them as whacko when it comes to evolution?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

But really you're neglecting the point I was making. That is that the scientific community has already proven itself to be correct to you through all the applied sciences, why are you suddenly derriding them as whacko when it comes to evolution?

I think his point was that the evolutionists for the most tend to combine the evolution idea with the idea that creationism is not true. Why can't it work this way: God creates life, but then, in his infinite wisdom, allows it to recreate itself and adapt to its environs.
Now we come to the point where the whole "seven days" thing comes into play. For this, i can only say that seven days to God are not seven days to man. Somewhere in the book of Daniel, i forget where, it talks about how an eon is a day to God, and a year is a second, that kind of thing. You have to remember that the Bible is very allegorical

 

[Eukaryote]

I've seen a couple documentries and read a couple magizine articles that from a logical point of view, prove God exists. I can't remember exactly what they said though, but that doesn't matter to me. Since I don't try to convert people to chirstianity, all I need to know is that God exists and preferebly, the fact that there's proof, but I have no need to know what the proof is.

 

[Perfection]

I think his point was that the evolutionists for the most tend to combine the evolution idea with the idea that creationism is not true.

He's a young-Earh antiscientific creationist, so I doubt that what he's truely thinking

Why can't it work this way: God creates life, but then, in his infinite wisdom, allows it to recreate itself and adapt to its environs.

Well, I just reject the concept of God as nonsense and don't bother trying to fit the bible to what the evidence has shown me.

 

[Eukaryote]

Perhaps we can just let this thread fall into the abyss of the second pages and forgotten about?

Right on CG, Right on.

 

[Perfection]

Well, the last series of Curt's "Prove God Exists" lasted for three threads each with over 1,000 posts.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

this is a habit of his? im sure he gets a wierd high from watching us religious folk scurry about, trying to answer an unanswerable question

 

[Perfection]

this is a habit of his?

I'm sure he'd describe it more of as a hobby.

religious folk

Woah, woah, woah, in this here thread, we call 'dem "Religionists".

 

[CurtSibling]

Perhaps we can just let this thread fall into the abyss of the second pages and forgotten about?

Not a chance, CG.

Provide some evidence for we heathens, then we can call an end to this debate.

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[CurtSibling]

No proof either way.

God is intensely personal. We decide, on our own, without any prosletyzation from either spectrum, What he is, how he goes about his business, or whether he even exists.

You cannot prove something so personal either way. You and only you decide.

What I (and others, no doubt) wish to know then, is why the religious posters
demand we treat such a shaky abstraction as lucid fact, when the idea of god
is so obviously the product of a igneous mind? This is the heart of the matter.

Why must we treat personal fantasy as fact? Why should I, or any other Atheist play along?

It seems there is nothing but pithy words and imagination, and nary a solid sign of a deity.

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[Masquerouge]

I seem to remember an old argument that was basically saying that proving the existence of god is actually implying that god is within your intellectual grasp, and thus finite, which is a logical contradiction.
So basically people trying to prove that god exist better hope they do not succeed

 

[CurtSibling]

this is a habit of his? im sure he gets a wierd high from watching us religious folk scurry about, trying to answer an unanswerable question

If you cannot keep it impersonal, don't post.

Last warning, comedian.

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[Cheezy the Wiz]

Not a chance, CG.

Provide some evidence for we heathens, then we can call an end to this debate.

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everyone has the right to their own opinion and beliefs, so yours in no more wrong than mine is