CVH- Comeback of the Century (Axis of Evil)

[SimpleMonkey]

Burn Nanking, raze anything else Chinese that we see, and then worry about building a temple. We're quite a few techs away from building libs, I think.

 

[Ansar]

Temples bad , Libraries Good.

 

[TimBentley]

1625(0): lux to 0%, science to 100%
extra food in Leipzig, extra (wasted) gold in Hamburg
switch Berlin to settler

1600(1): irrigating oases is wasteful in despotism, so I'll mine them

1575(2): China and America know math, but I'll keep writing for now

1550(3): China knows CB; no need for that right now either
found Konigsberg, start on curragh

IBT: Berlin settler->archer

1525(4): zzz

1500(5): Chinese warrior moving towards Hamburg, that's disconcerting, so I switch it to warrior to be safe

IBT: Hamburg warrior->curragh

1475(6): zzz

1450(7): zzz

1425(8): found Frankfurt, start on rax

1400(9): zzz

IBT: Leipzig rax->archer

1375(10): zzz

Notes: writing for ceremonial burial, math, iron working would be close to a deal; the AI wouldn't finish what they're researching (probably mysticism or construction), map making, and philo within 15 turns if you want to make the trade (iron working would be useful)

Ansar the King - up
Own - on deck
SimpleMonkey - second city of five and potential trouble
conquer_dude - committed our first war crimes
classical_hero - city three!
azzaman333 - burnt pizza
TimBentley - just played
CoolioVonHoolio - MIA??

 

[Ansar]

Got it. Will try to play after school.

 

[Ansar]

preturn- Things look good. Press enter.

ibt-nothing.

1350(1)- worker near berlin finishes road, starts irrigating. Frankfurt workers road cow. Warrior keeps exploring tundra. We can switch science to 70% and still have CoL at 4 turns, but instead of -2gpt, its +1gpt.

ibt-nothing.

1325(2)- Berlin archer -> archer. Hamburgh curragh -> barracks.

ibt- nada.

1300(3)- Konisberg curragh -> worker. Curraghs go exploring(not auto-explore).

ibt- American scout pops up, must be exploring.

1275(4)- lower science 50% to +7 gpt since CoL is in 1 turn.

ibt- CoL comes in,so I decide why not Philo? and ask myself why havent we traded with China? Trade Writing for Iron Working + Mathematics. And trade Writing to Abe for Ceremonial Burial and 4 gold.

1250(5)- Leipzig riots. We have iron source near Frankfurt! Also, increase science to 80% and Philo becomes in 10 turns at +1 gpt.

ibt- nada.

1225(6)- Berlin archer -> archer. Workers start roads.

Summary for these 6 turns: China has iron in its borders but America doesent, I was thinking of attacking China by starting with Nanking, and moving on to Beijing since we have some archers, also, what about wonder building? Perhaps the Great Library?

And I will play the other 4 later today...

 

[SimpleMonkey]

I think that we weren't trading with China because we thought we could beat some techs out of them rather than doing the silly thing of actually paying for them. Well, it didn't work that time (though C_D did get to burn a city ) but that's not to say it won't work the next time. Which if we can build a nice little stack of swords, might not be too long from now. I concur that a little returning Chinese lands to nature might not be a bad thing. I was actually getting excited about wiping them out completely, but then I thought that in 5CC killing off Mao would leave Abe free to take over the rest of the continent. That would be a bad thing. I suggest putting a hurt on both of them. Could we pull Abe into a fight with Mao, let them both bang each other up, and then turn on Abe as soon as we crunched up China? Is this a little ambitious considering we haven't even hooked up iron yet? :crazyeyes: We could still do some serious damage with archers as long as we hit him before he gets his iron hooked up.

I generally figure that the GLib on anything Emperor or below is a waste of shields, unless you're building it just to keep anyone else from having it. The libraries are the big benefit from Literature, and will serve us well.

If we can pull of the Philo jump, I'd take Republic and then research Literature. Repub is far more expensive, and if we can get some more contacts, will get us every AA tech in crafty trading.

Awesome so far, Ansar!

 

[Ansar]

Could we pull Abe into a fight with Mao, let them both bang each other up, and then turn on Abe as soon as we crunched up China? Is this a little ambitious considering we haven't even hooked up iron yet?

Thats my kind of back-stabbing.

An AI-AI war never hurt anybody, except them. We wait for swords, or attack with the archers we have? With such a little empire, the Chinese are sure to NOT make a counter-attack or a very weak one.

Well, in a 5CC the Great Library might not be such a bad idea...but only as a last resort if things turn ugly. Most games dont use the Great Library, I was thinking some kind of wonder...just because im a wonder guy.

Its late here in the Sunshine State so I must go off to bed, and will finish tomorrow.

 

[conquer_dude]

But WOAH BABY WE GOT IRON. CHINA @$$HOLES ARE GOIN DOWN!!!

Eidt: Hehe wait til my turn I'm commint more war crimes and destroy china and put Mao on a sandwhich! After all, who's ever heard of a beef sandwhich without mao!?

 

[SimpleMonkey]

Hmm, I forgot about the fact that our research is going to be slowed down from us being only 5 cities. GLib might not be a bad investment after all. We don't have to produce settlers any more, so we can focus on nothing but units for a bit in the other 4 cities.

If we can muster up 8-10 archers, that should put a hurt on Mao. Swords to follow.

 

[Ansar]

ibt-chinese warriors move around, nothing unusual.

1200(7)- Frankfurt barracks -> archer.

ibt- Abe makes Atlanta down south.

1175(8)- Curragh explore.

ibt- nada.

1150(9)- Leipzig archer ->warrior. Hamburg barracks ->archer.

ibt- nada.

1125(10)- Berlin archer->archer.

Summary for these 4 turns: Archers are blood-thirsty, they want to kill someone...and we have someone to attack. Also, we are having a happiness problem, next player should try to connect incense, the money problem is annoyinng, but besides that , everything else is fine, and I'm pretty sure we'll win the race to Philosophy.

 

[SimpleMonkey]

I think that now we get to see what Own can do with this. Should be good.

 

[Ansar]

Yes, Own will get all the fun.

 

[Own]

I always get the fun turns. I'm just lucky I guess. Got it.

 

[Own]

It may be a little late to object, but after looking at the save, I'm against the war. If our main goal was to win, it would be smart. But if we kill everyone, that will make our later comeback a lot easier. Kill civs with archers isn't nearly as fun as with panzers, so I want to save some China for later. Anyone agree with me?

 

[SimpleMonkey]

I'd say at least burn Nanking to allow freer culture expansion in that direction for us when we get libraries. Those fish and that horsie are quite nice. Beyond that, I think there's nothing wrong with knocking Mao around for a while and then giving Abe a bit of a hard time as well. I agree that a dramatic comback with panzers is the ideal. So you want to let Mao live, just humble him a bit? I'm good with that.

 

[Own]

ok, play tomorrow.

 

[Own]

Hmm... I've been thinking all day, and it seems that if we raze a couple chinese cities, it won't slow them down by much, and it will slow us down considerably. I'd rather be making workers and infrastructure than archers to help us in our campaign, as the archers we have now aren't enough to take a city and hold them off until peace. Any thoughts?

 

[TimBentley]

Improving cities would be more important than war.

 

[conquer_dude]

I have to disagree. If possible, I think we should KEEP building military units, and try to even go so far as to take Mao OUT. Because, we are doing 5CCONQUEST! After that, THEN we start our improvements. Although, getting the GL would be an excelent idea.

 

[Ansar]

Maybe a worker or two in the big size 4-5 towns(happiness issues) so we can work the unimproved tiles like Tim said. But we are 5CC so we gotta do sometihing to slow down the chinese and american expansion, any ideas?