Cybersecurity Should be Nationalised

Solution is easy. Reformat/reload. You should probably be doing that as least once a year or so anyway.


Your personal information can easily be stolen way before a year. So that wouldn't save you from those problems. Plus doing that can be a hassle on any number of levels (deleting stuff accidently, passwords, additional hiccups).
 
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What do you do with that machine that it needs such frequent wiping? Isn't a single install good for at least four to six years at the minimum?

As I read somewhere, your computer is obsolete as soon as you buy it. OS lifecycles are sometimes usually less than 4-6 years.
 
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What do you do with that machine that it needs such frequent wiping? Isn't a single install good for at least four to six years at the minimum?

Mostly gaming. I just back up all my real important stuff onto a thumb drive and keep my original installs handy. Not a big deal.

I very rarely get some malware that forces me to re-install however. I am pretty good at cleaning the registry myself. But I find that after a lot of software has been loaded/removed etc. that re-installing with a clean OS/registry is one sure way to clear the gunk and bring your PC back to a brand new like state.

Your personal information can easily be stolen way before a year. So that wouldn't save you from those problems. Plus doing that can be a hassle on any number of levels (deleting stuff accidently, passwords, additional hiccups).

If you already have malware, isnt it possible thats already happened? I wasnt talking about prevention, but a course of action after the fact.
 
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What do you do with that machine that it needs such frequent wiping? Isn't a single install good for at least four to six years at the minimum?

According to Microsoft certified trainers, the correct response to a major Windows problem is reformat and reinstall. 2 years is a long time for one to remain stable and trouble free.
 
Before I begin, let me just say that a hostile tone is VERY constructive.

What a horrible notion! People actually wanting to get paid for their work!

:rolleyes: It's not them getting paid for their work. You don't see me complaining that the police are funded by taxes or that we pay the supermarket for food. It's the fact that they'll oh so generously scan your computer... and then demand money to remove anything they find. Makes me wonder if they're actually legit, as Vista Security does the SAME damned thing. The only difference is that it launches itself.

Truly! Paying for things is a sign of tremendous greed.

:rolleyes: You're making assumptions on my opinions again. It's greed when you practically offer a solution to a person's problem, and then take it away when they go to use it. It's like offering a starving child some bread and then going "Psyche!" when they try to eat it, then saying you'll give it to them when they fork over some cash. At the very least, these bastards should give you one-week trials! I don't think it's unfair to at least let people try an important product before they actually purchase it.

Who, exactly, so you refer to when you say "we"? I'm sure as hell not included. I'm typing this from my personal machine, whose average uptime is a week, and which never gets off the internet.

Very good for you. You're not everyone, however. The right-minded(judging by - I think it was you, anyway - your thoughts in the gay servicemen thread, I'll label you as part of this group; correct me if I'm wrong on this) tend to run on the assumption that everyone is equal... but then again, so do liberals.

I see. So your entire objection to the status of the industry as a private one stems from the fact that they expect you to pay for their services.

Re-read what I said. Also re-read my modified first post. I'm not against paying for services OR private business running alongside a government program meant to provide security for everybody, so as to make sure ease of access and innovation coexist. I'm against cocktease businessmen who at first seem to be charitable... and then they pull a gun on you and say you'll have to pay them for any of their services, instead of giving you a few free tries of said services to find out of it's worth it.

May I remind you that I pay precisely zero for all the software that I use, and that I DO NOT USE:

1) A firewall
2) A virus scanner
3) An anti-malware or anti-spyware software package
4) Any of the myriad of "security" or "protection" software products on the market,

Wonderful, again. Not everyone is you.

and yet, I never worry about "cybersecurity" or attack, nor about viruses, or any other digital security threat, at all, ever. Why, exactly, in this case, should I pay a single dime for this ridiculous "nationalised cybersecurity service"?

Well you're not American(I'm guessing, though you could be a Western in India), so, you yourself wouldn't pay a dime, and even so, I'm proposing everyone be given access to cybersecurity and have a right to it. This is done through taxes... and if you don't like the idea, well, you don't have to take the government service. It's just there if you want it.

A less coercive path would be a government-chartered corporation, though I'm not sure how well that'd run in the market, given the chance of inefficiency.
 
This thread reminds me of leaving an uninsured and unlocked Ferrari in a bad neighborhood with the key in the ignition, and then complaining when someone finally stole it.

Words cannot describe my kneejerk reaction to this in a PG-13 manner.

It's a little bit different though. You see, a computer often holds a LOT of personal information, such as banking, and thus is a far more valuable asset than even a car, which, while a sad loss, can nonetheless be replaced. If a person was to steal your car, you could get a new one. If a person was to steal your banking info, they could BANKRUPT you. Which one is more severe, do you think?

Conclusion A: Policing should be extended to the internet, to prevent such nasty things. It's a little bit difficult to compare e-occurances with real occurances, but I don't think it'd be unfair for everybody to have anti-virus protection, especially considering this means hiring these virtual enforcers is a lot cheaper than hiring real ones, who have to be paid wages.

Conclusion B: Apologists for misfortune by blaming it on the person it happened to sicken me even further. More reason to never consider myself a member of the Libertarians. Nobody is equal, in capability, outcome, or any other quality. That's what just about everyone forgets in one way or another.

But not just complaining, but complaining that the police don't have enough power to prevent such things, meanwhile the local police and government offices are getting their own official cars stolen in their own parking lots.

I dunno whether this was in support of me or against me, but I think it was in support of my idea.

You're right about what I think, though. I think there needs to be more enforcement in the e-area, and rather than hire a bazillion police officers, it can be done, for the most part, by simplying providing anti-virus protection. Paying 100 dollars a year for antivirus protection would, for the most part, make more sense than hiring a police officer for a much larger wage(I imagine, I don't know the exact numbers, probably in the 40-50K range so it's a living wage).

What is there to lose in providing access to this extra security for all, while preserving the innovation of the private sector? We get everybody protected, and it benefits us all personally and nationally, to have greater police power on the internet, if only through the "virtual" police in the form of antivirus programs.

It's the government's duty to protect the lives and property of it's citizens. While our lives are generally not endangered by a virus, it still is the government's job to provide e-security for the sake of our property, which CAN be endangered by a virus, regardless of if it scams us out of money(unfair business practices I'm sure, never mind the whole hacking into your computer part), or if it launches a full-scale assault on your banking information.

you don't have to use any pay software to secure your home computer. all it takes is proper precaution

...I only frequent a handful of sites. I think blaming everything on the person is a bit unfair.

Of course, usually hacked computers are often a direct result of either careless downloading/installing crap. The security firms aren't to blame for your own negligence

Again, I doubt this is entirely my fault. And I doubt innocently walking outside your normal array of sites counts as "negligence." That's like saying walking out of your frequented physical locations and getting shot in some crossfire was "negligence."

If you don't lock your door, or your car or if you leave your window open when going out you shouldn't be surprised when somebody breaks into your house.

That should be obvious, but I agree.

Prevention isn't really the police's job.

...Prevention of crime makes far more sense than rehabilitation of crime, as it prevents crime from ever occurring by definition. What about preventing murder, rape, etc. Why not extend it to theft and everything else, especially if it's easy to do so?

Maybe they could work more to track down the people who put out viruses.

Aye. And make the penalty quite extreme, too. Considering that is more or less killing artificial police officers and creates so much misery for so many people, the penalty should be quite steep. Not death by any means(some would argue too radical, others inefficient), but I wouldn't rule out life imprisonment for these scumbags.

Since the person's just a cyber crime boss, anyway, and should be put permanently behind bars like a real crime boss.
 
...I only frequent a handful of sites. I think blaming everything on the person is a bit unfair.
In my experience, in 99% of the cases it was indeed the person handling the computer who brought this on him.

Everybody agrees that you have to know what you're about when you handle a car, but people somehow assume that computers run themselves, and whatever happens isn't the fault of the operator.

With every tool you have to adhere to some security principles to make sure they run properly and safely and you have to conduct maintenance to make sure they don't break down prematurely, but somehow people expect that computers should be exempt from this rule and fix themselves.

If you handle your computer correctly, most security suites are unnecessary. I only run a anti-virus (and a free one at that).

Again, I doubt this is entirely my fault.
I don't know what you did to get the malware, but yes, it's most certainly not entirely your fault (somehow had to create the malware in the first place), but chances are, you could have prevented it.

And I doubt innocently walking outside your normal array of sites counts as "negligence." That's like saying walking out of your frequented physical locations and getting shot in some crossfire was "negligence."[/QUOTE]
no, negligence is not taking prudent precautions. getting shot in a crossfire certainly doesn't fall under this.

...Prevention of crime makes far more sense than rehabilitation of crime, as it prevents crime from ever occurring by definition. What about preventing murder, rape, etc. Why not extend it to theft and everything else, especially if it's easy to do so?
but that's the very point, it's not easy to do so for the police; certainly not easier than it is for you to protect your computer yourself. If people don't take the time to secure their computer what makes you think they'd do so if they can get a free, government mandated security suite? As long as people still instinctively click on that hotnakedchicks.exe no security suite will ever be enough.

I'm all for cracking down hard on cyber criminals (though it's hard nailing them down). That includes companies that put rootkits or similar stuff in their software, as far as I'm concerned.

The problem is, your suggestion does nothing to improve people's security. All the necessary tools already exists (and for free too). So what makes you think that people would suddenly care once they can get the same from the government?

As the saying goes, most errors happen on OSI Layer 8...
 
Not too comfortable with nationalized cybersecurity. Sounds too Orwellian for my taste.
 
Not too comfortable with nationalized cybersecurity. Sounds too Orwellian for my taste.

And I consider that a very valid concern. :) This is why I support allowing private businesses to still run and operate, so people don't have to use the government software, or even the subsidy. It's like choosing between having the police or private security firms.
 
I dunno whether this was in support of me or against me, but I think it was in support of my idea.

Then I was not clear enough. It was decidedly against your idea - noting that the US government by and large is nearly incapable of securing itself, much less the general internet-surfing US public.

You're right about what I think, though. I think there needs to be more enforcement in the e-area, and rather than hire a bazillion police officers, it can be done, for the most part, by simplying providing anti-virus protection. Paying 100 dollars a year for antivirus protection would, for the most part, make more sense than hiring a police officer for a much larger wage(I imagine, I don't know the exact numbers, probably in the 40-50K range so it's a living wage).

I still don't understand - why require the government to provide this software for free, when you can already get it for free, as multiple people in this thread have noted and provided links to?

What is there to lose in providing access to this extra security for all, while preserving the innovation of the private sector? We get everybody protected, and it benefits us all personally and nationally, to have greater police power on the internet, if only through the "virtual" police in the form of antivirus programs.

The clueless people that currently run without any protective software and/or are stupid enough to fall for scams that they've been warned about previously are not going to be any more secure with the government providing free software than they would be with private companies or individuals providing free software. And beyond that, any sort of "active policing" of the internet is going to require a little more explanation, because currently for all I know you're proposing we hunt down spammers with laser-equipped sharks. I'm a network engineer with a decade's experience, and frankly nothing you've mentioned makes any more technical sense than the aforementioned sharks as a potential solution.
 
Has anyone yet touched on the fact that a computer is a luxury item? It is not, unless it is business related for a business you run out of your home, an actual necessity. If you want a toy, you should be responsible for keeping the toy in working order. That includes paying for protection suites of the freebies are not good enough for you.

That said, I have long espoused the opinion that virus writers and propagators should, if caught, be injected with Ebola so they can get a taste of a real virus. IF they live, they can consider their punishment complete.
 
Has anyone yet touched on the fact that a computer is a luxury item? It is not, unless it is business related for a business you run out of your home, an actual necessity. If you want a toy, you should be responsible for keeping the toy in working order. That includes paying for protection suites of the freebies are not good enough for you.

That said, I have long espoused the opinion that virus writers and propagators should, if caught, be injected with Ebola so they can get a taste of a real virus. IF they live, they can consider their punishment complete.

Computers are so common now I dont think you can actually call them 'luxury' items with a straight face.
 
It's a little bit different though. You see, a computer often holds a LOT of personal information, such as banking, and thus is a far more valuable asset than even a car, which, while a sad loss, can nonetheless be replaced. If a person was to steal your car, you could get a new one. If a person was to steal your banking info, they could BANKRUPT you. Which one is more severe, do you think?
Then perhaps you should be a bit more careful which sites you visit and what "locks" you decide to employ to protect your own system.

Besides, you and your bank would have to be really stupid for this to happen. There are innumerable safeguards built into the system, and in most cases all of your funds are eventually restored to your account. My own online account is protected by a 6-digit SecurID I must enter along with my password, and which is changed once a minute. It isn't foolproof, but it will certainly defeat most keylogging attempts.

Conclusion A: Policing should be extended to the internet, to prevent such nasty things. It's a little bit difficult to compare e-occurances with real occurances, but I don't think it'd be unfair for everybody to have anti-virus protection, especially considering this means hiring these virtual enforcers is a lot cheaper than hiring real ones, who have to be paid wages.
The police already do much to "prevent such nasty things", and they have been for quite some time now. The occurance of viruses is way down compared to what it was even 5 years ago. But you can't pretend the problem doesn't exist and not take measures to protect yourself.

You currently have access to a free firewall and free anti-virus programs as others have mentioned. Do you have them properly installed? Do you scan your computer disks on a regular basis?

But most of all, do you act in a responsible manner when visiting sites which may be suspect? Or do you blithely click on every .exe that appears on your screen or every phish that appears in your email inbox?

In my experience, in 99% of the cases it was indeed the person handling the computer who brought this on him.
Exactly.
 
Has anyone yet touched on the fact that a computer is a luxury item? It is not, unless it is business related for a business you run out of your home, an actual necessity. If you want a toy, you should be responsible for keeping the toy in working order. That includes paying for protection suites of the freebies are not good enough for you.

That said, I have long espoused the opinion that virus writers and propagators should, if caught, be injected with Ebola so they can get a taste of a real virus. IF they live, they can consider their punishment complete.

Is a television a luxury item? How about a car? I just want to make sure we fully understand your use of the term "luxury item".
 
Automobile, no. Television, yes (hey, you should have a radio in your automobile).
 
Has anyone yet touched on the fact that a computer is a luxury item? It is not, unless it is business related for a business you run out of your home, an actual necessity. If you want a toy, you should be responsible for keeping the toy in working order. That includes paying for protection suites of the freebies are not good enough for you.

I don't think that works. Above a certain point, it becomes an externality problem. That is, a person's actions simply do not effect only themselves. If a cracker gets a backdoor program into 10,000 computers, then they can launch a distributed attack that can overwhelm the resources of many people who protected their systems in a responsible fashion.

If a person is being irresponsible in a fashion that only hurts themselves, that's on them. If a lot of people are being irresponsible in a fashion that is harmful to a lot of other people, that's a legitimate situation for a public policy response.
 
Automobile, no. Television, yes (hey, you should have a radio in your automobile).

if a computer is a luxury item, then a car certainly is too :)
 
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