Darth Vader tried to destroy the Republic, Ralph Nader saved the Republicans

[Provolution]

Darth Vader tried to destroy the Republic, Ralph Nader saved the Republicans

Open discussion, should Ralph Nader run for President of the USA in 2008, or stay home in Oregon, where he originally belongs?

 

[GenMarshall]

He should remain home, he's unsafe at any speed.

 

[Archbob]

Whatever he wants to do. Realistically, he should stay home because he'd just be wasting money.

 

[Irish Caesar]

I think it's funny how all the Democrats think Mr. Nader will actually play the role of spoiler simply by running.

Whatever he wants to do.

Basically.

[...]I like the idea that anyone can run for president. I also like the idea that say after losing spectacularly, say, three times, one should give up trying.

 

[amadeus]

He ran in 2004 and nobody voted for him.

So why are some Democrats so afraid of him this year?

 

[GenMarshall]

He ran in 2004 and nobody voted for him.

So why are some Democrats so afraid of him this year?

They see him as a threat as he has the potential to siphon votes away from the Democrats.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Darth Vader is a loony

 

[Hundegesicht]

They see him as a threat as he has the potential to siphon votes away from the Democrats.

But the same could be said of libertarian or constitution candidates taking votes from the Republicans, but so far I haven't seen them whining about it.

This whole democrats hating Ralph Nader thing has really confused me.

 

[Evie]

It has to do with eight years of a certain former Texas governor being president, and for which many feel Nader shoulder a large part of the blame.

 

[Yoda Power]

Darth Vader is a loony

Awesome video! One of the best youtube videos I've seen yet.

 

[downtown]

He should do whatever he wants. I think at this point, he's really only running for vanity, and is holding back the development of his party and talent.

He won' be a spoiler though. To put this in perspective, he wasn't even *on the ballot* in several important states (such as Ohio)

If the election is close enough that Nader would matter, then the Democrats have done a terrible job with the campaign.

 

[I'm Cleo!]

As amadeus pointed out, he had no effect in 2004. Why would he have one now, especially with a candidate like Barack Obama who is so popular with the young'uns?

Cleo

 

[Elrohir]

I don't really care, I doubt that it'll have much of an effect on the election. Of course I hope he plays as a spoiler and lets the GOP candidate win a few swing states, but I don't expect it'll happen. The meltdown a lot of Democrats are having over his entry into the race is pretty hilarious, though.

He should do whatever he wants. I think at this point, he's really only running for vanity, and is holding back the development of his party and talent.

He won' be a spoiler though. To put this in perspective, he wasn't even *on the ballot* in several important states (such as Ohio)

If the election is close enough that Nader would matter, then the Democrats have done a terrible job with the campaign.

His "party"? He's an an independent, not a Democrat. I doubt there are many independents who could do better. (Bloomberg is one, but he still couldn't win.)

 

[Gecko1]

First which idits are voting for this guy?

Second if he really wants his consumer agenda to gain weight how about he helps the democrats rather than campiening against them? He should know the republicans don't give a damn about consumers.

Third, who the hell funds this guy?

 

[MobBoss]

Too bad Michael Bloomberg doesnt want to run.

 

[downtown]

His "party"? He's an an independent, not a Democrat. I doubt there are many independents who could do better. (Bloomberg is one, but he still couldn't win.)

I thought he was still a green?

 

[Irish Caesar]

First which idits are voting for this guy?

Second if he really wants his consumer agenda to gain weight how about he helps the democrats rather than campiening against them? He should know the republicans don't give a damn about consumers.

Third, who the hell funds this guy?

First, people who don't like voting for either of the two major candidates but want to cast a ballot.

Second, because this is a better way for him to get the message out, since he knows that the Democrats don't care about consumers either.

Third, I think he's loaded, but it's not like he runs an expensive campaign.

I thought he was still a green?

I don't think he wants to run as a Green this time, although I think he won the Green primary quite easily without campaigning for it.

 

[The Yankee]

If the Democrats can't make the case to all 0.3% that voted for Nader the last time and that becomes the margin of defeat in 2008, then they really didn't deserve to win in the first place. I doubt Nader will even get that three-tenths of a percent, since more and more people see him as running for his own ego. Green faithful are probably already annoyed at him because he tarnished their own cause.

Finally, he's not going to advance anything if he takes resources for a presidential run. A third party could only really rise through more local efforts (which could be combined by a national run), rather than one national run alone.

 

[Elrohir]

I thought he was still a green?

He's been affiliated with the Green and Reform parties, but technically I think he identifies just as an Independent. Regardless, he's pretty much irrelevant.