Dec 26th teaser

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

These abilities are much better for a Chandragupta lead India than Gandhi lead one any day.

 

[pgm123]

The Seowon is not at all an improvement from the Seondeok era (nearly a thousand years gap).

It is. Though the traits feel like they were tied to the Cheomseongdae--the need to be isolated, the bonus to farms, etc. It feels like they started with that and then someone told them that it wouldn't work as a district because there's only the one, so they had to scrap it and change the name.

So, saying that Somethingsomething (I will never manage to get the full name of this Indian leader) cannot be an alternate Indian leader because the CUA doesn’t match his particular empire at his particular period of time is irrelevant. Indian is wide-worldly known to be the place of most of religion of the world and to take advantages of this diverse religions. So the Dharma civ ability is good enough even for Somethingsomething.

Dharma really does fit with Chandragupta, though. It was a time when India accepted many religions. His successor, Ashoka, was known to be a patron to many Buddhist temples, but he's well-respected in Jainism and he was tolerant and possibly supporting of Hindu and Hellenistic beliefs. He references Dharma in his edicts and scholars point out that he uses it in a non-denominational sect to simply mean "what is right." Someone who follows Brahminical Orthodoxy would find the edict to be Hindu. The edicts in Greek speak of piety (Eusebeia) instead of Dharma because a Greek wouldn't know the word. I haven't found an English translation of the Aramaic version, but I bet it similarly translates the concepts for Zoroastrians.

I wonder why so many people seem to have problem with the name. I don‘t see how it is complicated at all. For a south Asian name, it‘s also not particularly long.

It's also phonetic. If you can say the name, you can spell it.

 

[Kyro]

Civ Ability - Dharma: Receive the benefits of all Follower beliefs of Religions present in your cities, not just the one you founded.
This fits Maurya like a glove.

Except Chandragupta's reign is marked by conquest and the unification of Indian subcontinent, not Religion.

Civ Unit - Varu: War Elephant (Replaces horsemen)

The only thing that doesn't fit about this unit is that they would be used next to horsemen.

I didn't say War Elephants don't fit. I specifically mentioned he had 9000 of those.

Civ Infrastructure: Stepwell

I don't know the history of this, but the Civlopedia says it dates back to 200 BC.

If they made a Maurya Civilization the Stupa would be a a better choice.

These abilities fit Chandragupta better than Gandhi.

I'm just saying there are better options for a Mauryan Civilization if they made one, but judging by the leaks that's not likely after all.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Except Chandragupta's reign is marked by conquest and the unification of Indian subcontinent, not Religion.

We don't know the leader ability yet. That being said he was religious and India had many religions at that time which is why it is India's UA.

If they made a Maurya Civilization the Stupa would be a a better choice.

The stupa is already in the game as a worship building.

 

[DeepKing]

It's going to be India, with Chandragupta Maurya as an alternate leader to Ghandi. Only his leader ability would change, just like how only Gorgo's leader ability is different while the rest of the Greece abilities are the same. It's simple.

I think it will be a boost to production in some way, as well as war. I think a unique religious unit is possible as well, I don't know much about the intricacies of Chandragupta's empire, but the Stepwell will certainly stay the same so I think Chandragupta's abilities will have synergy to either that or the Varu, which already are very strong.

 

[Republic of San Montuoso]

I'm just saying there are better options for a Mauryan Civilization if they made one, but judging by the leaks that's not likely after all.

You might be right, but we cannot do a bunch of civilizations based solely on the fact that will be "better" options. If we think like that, we must have Bavaria, Prussia and the Hansa and not Germany because they are really different "civs" (enough people were pissed enough when they saw that Macedon had their own civilization, instead of another leader for Greece, so maybe it's better not to do too much).

And for the Stupa a better UI for Maurya than stepwell, sure, but the Stupa was just released in the Fall Patch. I'm not an expert, but I think that the devs knew already which civilizations would be in the next big Expansion, and with which abilities (kind of). So the Stupa has no chance to be there as a UI (but I might be wrong).

 

[SammyKhalifa]

These abilities are much better for a Chandragupta lead India than Gandhi lead one any day.

Don't seem particularly good though. Not a total revamp but I'd like to see a tweaking which they could show in the video

 

[Duuk]

Keep in mind it's possible for leaders to have lots of unique abilities. Civ6's engine appears to be built for modders or for leader packs.

If I recall correctly, Teddy Roosevelt has a UU that is specifically tied to him as a leader rather than to America as a civ, so it's possible to have several different unique factors for leaders.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Don't seem particularly good though. Not a total revamp but I'd like to see a tweaking which they could show in the video

Historically they make since, is what I meant. As for gameplay changes they could always be improved.

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Historically they make since, is what I meant. As for gameplay changes they could always be improved.

I mean I like the idea but in the few times I've tried I've never really gotten dharma to do anything useful.

 

[DeepKing]

Keep in mind it's possible for leaders to have lots of unique abilities. Civ6's engine appears to be built for modders or for leader packs.

If I recall correctly, Teddy Roosevelt has a UU that is specifically tied to him as a leader rather than to America as a civ, so it's possible to have several different unique factors for leaders.

Yep. As well as his own unique leader ability dealing with the Roosevelt Corollary, so I wouldn't be too horribly surprised if Chandragupta got a UU as well as his own unique leader ability.

Edit: Without Ghandi's leader ability, which itself is a two-part one, India's abilities are rather tame, honestly. Powerful, but not OP.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Yep. As well as his own unique leader ability dealing with the Roosevelt Corollary, so I wouldn't be too horribly surprised if Chandragupta got a UU as well as his own unique leader ability.

Edit: Without Ghandi's leader ability, which itself is a two-part one, India's abilities are rather tame, honestly. Powerful, but not OP.

There are only going to be 8 UU though. So one for each of the new released Civs.

 

[bite]

Moderator Action: India video is out so time to close this thread