DEITY CHALLENGE - aiming for sub 200T victory

[Cromagnus]

I personally enjoy the deity challenges, GotM and HoF. My main issue with HoF is the time it consumes and the boredom that is rerolling.
Whether someone cheats or not I don't really care for it. There's no substantial reward to miss and I won't start limiting my own enjoyment by fear of someone cheating. A bit like how you should play dark souls pvp despite the potential cheats.

However what saddens me is that Firaxis doesn't capitalize on these ideas that exist since years ago in their own game. Making their own version of gotm inside the game using an ironman mode saved on steam cloud. Now that'd be cool.

Well that's kinda my point... Firaxis should support gotm/hof out of the box. It's been a popular way of playing for the last 3+ versions of Civ. They're missing an opportunity. We're debating the viability of what are essentially fan-implemented features that should be in the game.

 

[IronfighterXXX]

Well, while in theory ironmode with steam clouds sounds good there are big issues with it too.

I remember my Poland - Commonwealth game in ironmode in EU4. I was about to get 'Poland can into space achievement' and got steam can't synchronized with sth bug, couldn't play for few days, and then there was infamous patch which brake ironmode for games with change country tag.
I didn't play any EU4 game since that

@Cromagnus AFAIK Deity challenges allow restarts and reloads (you can't only use IGE and science overflow bug) so everybody who participate agree with that and it couldn't be call cheating.

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

@Cromagnus AFAIK Deity challenges allow restarts and reloads (you can't only use IGE and science overflow bug) so everybody who participate agree with that and it couldn't be call cheating.

I think regardless of cheating, the forums want some evidence or proof of accomplishments when they start to meet the burden of sub-200. i think stuff like posting saves and screenies for personal inspection reasons (and even the coveted full LP for the most extreme results) will be required for anyone meeting this challenge if they want the community's approval.

scrutiny is actually your friend when judging results absent of a controllable server-side solution.

 

[Lambatatte]

finished Inca deity game turn 197

Will upload videos next nights

Actually played that Inca map myself the other night, just to have something to relate to when you're video came online. After watching the first ~50 turns or so of your're game I can say that, boy are you mean & harsh. I obviously have a lot to learn/try regarding early AI DoWing... looking forward to testing a new game now to get that sweet early snowballeffect to the next level.

 

[Cromagnus]

I think regardless of cheating, the forums want some evidence or proof of accomplishments when they start to meet the burden of sub-200. i think stuff like posting saves and screenies for personal inspection reasons (and even the coveted full LP for the most extreme results) will be required for anyone meeting this challenge if they want the community's approval.

scrutiny is actually your friend when judging results absent of a controllable server-side solution.

I completely agree. And again, I'm not knocking the HOF or GOTM, I love both. I just wish there was a server-side solution. In theory, there might already be. Is there a server-hosted mode where the host just watches and doesn't have a "seat"? If so, then (in theory, resources aside) HOF or GOTM staff could host games. Of course, that's not really feasible, unless Hammer Rabbi has a server farm he's not using... but you get my point.

 

[Furycrab]

Actually played that Inca map myself the other night, just to have something to relate to when you're video came online. After watching the first ~50 turns or so of your're game I can say that, boy are you mean & harsh. I obviously have a lot to learn/try regarding early AI DoWing... looking forward to testing a new game now to get that sweet early snowballeffect to the next level.

I was watching some of it from work (yes I do sometimes get work done) and I'm appreciating the strength of it, but ya I haven't seen such strong use of Incan power to run over terrain and stealing workers. He got what... 4? 3 from civs 1 from a CS?

The only part that had me scratching my head was the whole rushing Ironworking... However when you combine it with his choice of playing on a Great Plains map and the way world gen works with Incan priority for mountains, the odds of you being on top of iron or coal right at the start must be pretty darn good.

 

[reddishrecue]

Deity is so difficult. I have failed immortal many times. Imagine me trying deity, it would be so difficult. Watching deity videos take so long to watch also. Whenever i try to take a challenge, i quit when things get rough. For example, i was doing good with some civilization at deity and dominated about 2 or 3 civilizations but had to quit because my ideology adoption costed me so much unhappiness that i had rebels appearing in my towns...

 

[cbucks]

Are you still planning on posting the videos of the sub 200 victory?

 

[sun8119]

Are you still planning on posting the videos of the sub 200 victory?

There is part 1 here. Neither sound nor HD quality though.

 

[FornaxTorak]

There is part 1 here. Neither sound nor HD quality though.

Yeah, tommynt. Need a new vid soon First time in a while I've learned something from a youtubevid!

5 scout opening - someone should write an article about it

 

[AE_]

I just finished a game with poland at turn 201. Could have finished at turn 199, bit it has been to long since I finished a game, so I forgot that there is a limit on the number of techs you can discover each turn. Started using my GS to late

Spoiler :

 

[Brandonito50]

I just finished a game with poland at turn 201. Could have finished at turn 199, bit it has been to long since I finished a game, so I forgot that there is a limit on the number of techs you can discover each turn. Started using my GS to late

Spoiler :

Got a start save file?

 

[AE_]

Here:

 

[sun8119]

Interesting, the map and location does not look that special for a sub 200 game. OK, if you are lucky you might be able to set 4 cities by the mountain. Can you perhaps share a bit more details about the game? Such as what ideology, which policy trees, what wonders, is it only 4 cities? I suspect you had to bribe Babylon and Morocco as they seem very close to you.

 

[TLHeart]

Interesting, the map and location does not look that special for a sub 200 game. OK, if you are lucky you might be able to set 4 cities by the mountain. Can you perhaps share a bit more details about the game? Such as what ideology, which policy trees, what wonders, is it only 4 cities? I suspect you had to bribe Babylon and Morocco as they seem very close to you.

massive wheat and salt in the capital. mega city growth = lots of science.

 

[AE_]

Finding a start position with salt and mountains is very OP.

The key to this game is to have a lot of neighbors. You send caravans to your neighbors, hoping to become friends, so they start sending caravans to you as well. I had a lot of caravans to and from Babylon and Morocco, and later with the dutch, india and siam. After education most of my caravans are used for food, but it is always nice to send one caravan to Morocco for gold.

To achieve the caravan success, My capital build order is scout, scout, settler, caravan. The settler builds a city where new trade routes is possible. I go for NC before building more cities, and try to settle 2 more right after NC (preferably one settler from money and one from the second city)

My research order is mining, animals, pottery -> philosophy -> theology (to get a nice religion with hagia sophia and Borobudur) -> Education -> Astro
(Sailing and Iron working is usually a good choice after philo)

My policies are full tradition, than patronage until renaissance, so you get the science from every allied city state policy, I also got the +20 starting influence policy. So it is basically a very peaceful strategy, where you want to be friends with all AI and allied to all city states.

I had a lot of RA:s, I try to use 3 waves of RA:s. One the get scientific ~turn 130, one tog get plastics ~turn 160, and one to finish the game before turn 200. Before the second wave you want both the wonder and the policy for better RA:s. I use rationalism finisher for radio and then RA:s time well with plastics. I believe I had 4, 5 and 6 RA:s.

The ideology of choice is freedom. I purchased all Space parts.

The tricky thing with this strategy is to avoid war. The plan is to have a lot of neighbors, so one of them often wants to take your cities, despite long friendly relationships. Hopefully you have some military units from city states and are well ahead of your opponent in tech. Bribes when you see big armies at the border is often a good idea. I got lucky and wasn't DoWed until I was 2 turns away from getting the "free units" ideology.

 

[IronfighterXXX]

Good game AE_!

I knew Poland is top tier civ, but wasn't sure is so good for fast science victory.

Your game was very different than mine. Usually I from start send food caravans, use Oxford for radio, rationalism finisher for information era tech and spend gold rather on scientific buildings than RAs
(but maybe with rationalism finisher and PT they are really worth sth)
Do you remember how many turns of research you got approximately from them in second and third wave?

I don't want to belittle your skills but you really was lucky that with such city placement (Lodz, Wroclaw) you didn't get DOW early.

Last thing - you built only four cities was it on purpose or you didnt find good place to settle?( for me five cities are always better for science)
Did you submit your game to HOF?

Anyway it's good to realise then after four years since release and one since last update we still have different bringing results strategies.

 

[Brandonito50]

Wasn't able to match T221 victory though which is my best time.

I'm tempted to play it again with a different start strategy, I got my NC soooo late. though that'd be against the rules of the thread

 

[Iberian]

To achieve the caravan success, My capital build order is scout, scout, settler, caravan. The settler builds a city where new trade routes is possible. I go for NC before building more cities, and try to settle 2 more right after NC (preferably one settler from money and one from the second city)



.

This is why I like liberty (better before they changed it). Even with Poland though I don't think you can get that free settler fast enough and then switch to tradition.

With the free GP from liberty you could quickly get that NC up but the loss of happiness/gold/growth doesn't make it worth it.

 

[59saintdane]

Wait...what change in liberty are you referring to?