Democratic Party direction post-Harris
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Biden had no moral compass despite the democratic party pretending to be on moral high ground. I have no respect for them
Kilroy Was Here
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These people did not commit any crimes and are being preemptively pardoned to assist them against the retribution that Trump literally promised them on the campaign trail. Are you upset about Trump pardoning the January 6th insurrectionists?
EnglishEdward
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I will hazard a guess that a future SCOTUS will roll back such developments of POTUS pardoning.
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Ajidica
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I think the Democrats are basically screwed. Any immediate pivot will be dismissed as shameless pandering (which is probably is). Large swathes of voters heard a Marine corp general and former Chief of Staff to the candidate call him a fascist and said "yeah, give me that guy".
Further, we saw a substantial amount of what should be prime Democrat support shift toward the Crook (see the Bronx for example) over issues the Democrats have no idea how to resolve. (Perceived crisis of illegal immigration, rising crime, homelessness, etc.)
The warm fuzzies from the Obama years are gone. The days of middle/upper class progressives/good government types and minorities forming a viable electoral coalition on the national scale is dead. Biden barely squeeked out a victory in 2020 during a global crisis the Crook's administration both massively bungled and was in full on flailing mode.
I think the Democrats need to focus on restocking their local and state benches to see what works and build up a talent base. Nobody cares what Chuck&Hakeem have to say. Even if I wasn't interested in her because she is my senator, I'm vastly more interested in what someone like Amy Klobuchar has to say. She is a popular and effective senator that resoundingly wins elections.*
*Possibly as a result of throwing a stapler at anyone who opposes her, but hey, what can one do?
Further, we saw a substantial amount of what should be prime Democrat support shift toward the Crook (see the Bronx for example) over issues the Democrats have no idea how to resolve. (Perceived crisis of illegal immigration, rising crime, homelessness, etc.)
The warm fuzzies from the Obama years are gone. The days of middle/upper class progressives/good government types and minorities forming a viable electoral coalition on the national scale is dead. Biden barely squeeked out a victory in 2020 during a global crisis the Crook's administration both massively bungled and was in full on flailing mode.
I think the Democrats need to focus on restocking their local and state benches to see what works and build up a talent base. Nobody cares what Chuck&Hakeem have to say. Even if I wasn't interested in her because she is my senator, I'm vastly more interested in what someone like Amy Klobuchar has to say. She is a popular and effective senator that resoundingly wins elections.*
*Possibly as a result of throwing a stapler at anyone who opposes her, but hey, what can one do?
Hygro
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Have we learned nothing?
Voidwalkin
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I dunno, this may prove premature.
When led by plastic technocrats, it underperforms. I'm willing to bet it still musters enough votes if someone with a little more edge manages to take the helm.
Biden and Harris weren't all stars, politically. Arguably, both got the VP spot with identity weighted heavily in their favor. Team might only be a good QB away, and there aren't any more serviceable backups for the unimaginative to try to plug in.
Hygro
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Trump is pivoting circles around us getting constantly dismissed for shameless pandering and you’re worried someone will dismiss someone for shameless pandering?
Zardnaar
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Well GOP will likely defeat themselves. That's good for 1 election unless they Hoover it.
I think this article has a good explanation of some of the issues facing Democratic governance. It's a nine-minute read, but the gist is that progressive activists, who often are the most reliable primary voters, focus more on stopping things than doing things.
This came out of progressive activism in the 1960s and 70s, when opposition to the Vietnam War and environmental pollution was of paramount importance. However, that stopping things mentality led to excessive bureaucracy. That excessive bureaucracy then leads to NIMBYism, making housing and clean energy more expensive to produce than they would be otherwise. This makes heavily Democratic states such as New York or California very expensive, while states like Texas, which make constructing new housing or energy projects easy, more affordable. This causes Democratic states to lose population to Republican states. And causes people to view Republican states as having better economies, because in some ways they do, as you can actually live there affordably.
Similarly, Democrats often want to do many studies before enacting any sort of policy whatsoever. This makes it hard to enact new policy, as they try let perfect be the enemy of the good. Democrats need to focus on more action and less talk is the main conclusion.
The Crisis of Democratic Governance
State Democrats have failed to deliver what the American people want.www.liberalcurrents.com
Very nice article
A culture of immunity for the inner circle was always what would be the result of all these moves - which may even have been just a show to facilitate the former - of going after some politicians with court trials. Now you get carpet and "preemptive" pardons. If you think they won't lead to even more such pardons, one wonders why you think that.
This isn't a new system. Variants of it exist in all pseudo-democracies/corrupt democracies. And it always makes things more corrupt.
This isn't a new system. Variants of it exist in all pseudo-democracies/corrupt democracies. And it always makes things more corrupt.
Akka
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I think that a major factor of Trump winning is the "elephant in the porcelain room", i.e. more about the potential to wreck havoc on "the system" by sheer unpredictability and lack of restraints. As such, "pandering" by Trump might actually serves him well, because people can imagine him doing what a more reasonable/honest/restrained person wouldn't dare. While pandering from the "adult in the room" might be taken as just words that won't actually do anything.
In other words : empty words by Trump are perceived as they could lead to a bull doing some dumb thing that actually move other things around, possibly breaking the system (which is perceived already broken by a significant majority, and even more among the Republican voters), while empty words by the Democrats are perceived as just "pandering" that won't lead to anything.
Klaus Hergersheimer
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I think this article has a good explanation of some of the issues facing Democratic governance. It's a nine-minute read, but the gist is that progressive activists, who often are the most reliable primary voters, focus more on stopping things than doing things.
This came out of progressive activism in the 1960s and 70s, when opposition to the Vietnam War and environmental pollution was of paramount importance. However, that stopping things mentality led to excessive bureaucracy. That excessive bureaucracy then leads to NIMBYism, making housing and clean energy more expensive to produce than they would be otherwise. This makes heavily Democratic states such as New York or California very expensive, while states like Texas, which make constructing new housing or energy projects easy, more affordable. This causes Democratic states to lose population to Republican states. And causes people to view Republican states as having better economies, because in some ways they do, as you can actually live there affordably.
Similarly, Democrats often want to do many studies before enacting any sort of policy whatsoever. This makes it hard to enact new policy, as they try let perfect be the enemy of the good. Democrats need to focus on more action and less talk is the main conclusion.
The Crisis of Democratic Governance
State Democrats have failed to deliver what the American people want.
Mmm hmm. I put it to you that, for them, there is a higher priority on addressing root problems than the immediate concerns: the problem of affordable housing is not a lack of houses in places where they could be built cheap; it's that the system does not afford people enough income to live in those expensive places. Same is true for health insurance, not mentioned: don't address the lack of supply within the medical profession itself; mandate that insurers will cover most medical procedures. Now I wouldn't necessarily say this is "talk over action" like the author does; simply a mindset that a majority of (I'd say uninformed) opinion on any one issue should become the primary shaper of policy. Overcome that mindset and you may have something...
GoodEnoughForMe
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Klaus Hergersheimer
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I imagine Trump's convictions might bar him from carrying a gun in NY state (I do believe he has a concealed carry license there); maybe other things; I don't see how it will restrict him from performing any formal presidential actions, though, enough for CNN to have to keep mentioning it. Or do you expect that as the lede in every story about him?
EnglishEdward
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What is the point in the news media repeating what almost everyone knows about Donald Trump?
After all, it is hardly news.
Media chiefs would be correct to point their journalists at what Donald Trump and his administration are actually doing.
After all, it is hardly news.
Media chiefs would be correct to point their journalists at what Donald Trump and his administration are actually doing.
GoodEnoughForMe
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EnglishEdward
Deity
I doubt that continuing fighting the election they have lost will get the democrats anywhere.
And the thread title is: Democratic Party direction post-Harris
And the thread title is: Democratic Party direction post-Harris
