Design your own Civ VI civ

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Civilization: Balti Empire (Gateway to the Himalayas): Mountains grant additional +2 Faith to adjacent tiles, and give amenities to their city. Foreign traders grant a burst of Faith and Great Prophet points when passing through a Balti city.
Leader: Ali Sher Khan Achan (Maqpon Dynasty): Gain Governor points from suzerained city-states.
Unit: Kharpon: Unique unit that reduces disloyalty in captured cities.
Unique Building: Polo Ground: Provides Amenities and +10 XP to all mounted units produced in the city. Gain access to the Polo Completion Project, which grants a burst of Amenities, and Great General points when a Great General garrisoned in the city.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Alternative Leader idea for Merrick's Kievan Rus:

Olga: Killing Barbarians grants Faith, and clearing Outposts grants Great Prophet points and a free Envoy with each Religious city-state.

 

[Patine]

Alternative Leader idea for Merrick's Kievan Rus:

Olga: Killing Barbarians grants Faith, and clearing Outposts grants Great Prophet points and a free Envoy with each Religious city-state.

So, you think if the victims are, "barbarians," it makes the odious mechanic more acceptable, eh?

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

So, you think if the victims are, "barbarians," it makes the odious mechanic more acceptable, eh?

Acceptable in what sense? My mechanics are not in any way moral comments

 

[Patine]

Acceptable in what sense? My mechanics are not in any way moral comments

I explained my objection when I first criitcized the, "homicidal rewards," (outside the standard one of eliminating an enemy unit in war), and they haven't changed.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

I explained my objection when I first criitcized the, "homicidal rewards," (outside the standard one of eliminating an enemy unit in war), and they haven't changed.

I know that, but there was nothing on my part to indicate that I believe that homicidal rewards are more acceptable in some contexts.

 

[Patine]

I know that, but there was nothing on my part to indicate that I believe that homicidal rewards are more acceptable in some contexts.

Other than your resue of the mechanic style, no...

 

[Jeppetto]

I explained my objection when I first criitcized the, "homicidal rewards," (outside the standard one of eliminating an enemy unit in war), and they haven't changed.

I see you complain about this constantly as If Civ already doesn't use it a-plenty. You sacrifice the Melee Unit when converting Barbarians with Unifier's benefit, the game already allows you to kill Barbarians for exp farm and destroy their homes for Gold like they were cattle, Ceasar gets even more benefits from doing so etc. I get the complaint about how rewarding Muslim Units when they destroy themself is in poor taste and a historical misconception, that'đ one thing, but at this point you are nitpicking pointlessly.

This is a game where you can raze a city and it gives you a horrifying scream of people suffering when you do so, so...

 

[Patine]

I see you complain about this constantly as If Civ already doesn't use it a-plenty. You sacrifice the Melee Unit when converting Barbarians with Unifier's benefit, the game already allows you to kill Barbarians for exp farm and destroy their homes for Gold like they were cattle, Ceasar gets even more benefits from doing so etc. I get the complaint about how rewarding Muslim Units when they destroy themself is in poor taste and a historical misconception, that'đ one thing, but at this point you are nitpicking pointlessly.

This is a game where you can raze a city and it gives you a horrifying scream of people suffering when you do so, so...

Three mentions of distaste is NOT, "complaining about it constantly." Perspective and proportion - not to mention accuracy - please. Plus, I was mentioning my preference in general for the future iterations, not what may be already.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Should the Islamic Indonesian polities like the Sultanates of Aceh, Ternate and Tidore be considered part of the Indonesian civilization as portrayed in Civ6 or should they have their own civilization?

 

[Patine]

Should the Islamic Indonesian polities like the Sultanates of Aceh, Ternate and Tidore be considered part of the Indonesian civilization as portrayed in Civ6 or should they have their own civilization?

If they are separate, then maybe the Hindu Kingdom of Bali could be a city-state.

Though, the concept and notion of an Indonesian NATION begins with Sukarto, really, who, like Gandhi in India and most modern African national founding leaders, is creating a new nation out of artificial colonial borders and constructs.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

You don't think there was enough similarity between the states of Aceh, Gowa and Mataram and others to merit being part of a single unified civilization?

 

[Patine]

You don't think there was enough similarity between the states of Aceh, Gowa and Mataram and others to merit being part of a single unified civilization?

I'm saying the concept of a single nation, people, and civilization was not there, previously. They didn't even all speak the same language (Bahada Indonesia is a linguistic contriuct to be a lingua franca, and is the Hindi and Urdu - or Langue d'oil - though even more calculated and recent - of Indonesia).

 

[FishFishFish]

You don't think there was enough similarity between the states of Aceh, Gowa and Mataram and others to merit being part of a single unified civilization?

I think the "Indonesia" civ should just be replaced by a Javanese civ. It should include the Sultanate of Mataram but not the others.

 

[Patine]

I think the "Indonesia" civ should just be replaced by a Javanese civ. It should include the Sultanate of Mataram but not the others.

Probably. Sukarto was also probably the first leader there who named the archipelago, offically, in Greek.

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

I think the "Indonesia" civ should just be replaced by a Javanese civ. It should include the Sultanate of Mataram but not the others.

A Javanese civ that includes the Medang, Majapahit and Mataram, and a Sumatran one that includes Srivijaya and Aceh?

What about Gowa, Ternate, Tidore and others?

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Alternate leaders for Arabia:

Abd al-Malik (Abu'l-Quds): 25% Wonder production in Holy Cities, constructing Wonders in Holy Cities grants increased Era Score and burst of faith, and Wonders in Holy Cities grant increased Tourism. Captured Holy Cities of other religions act as a Holy City for your religion.

Umar II (Rightly-Guided): +50% production towards Holy Sites, and -25% production towards Districts of all other types. Holy Sites provide Amenities and Influence points.

Marwan I (Nepo Papa): Cities with an established Governor provide Governor points, and Influence points once no more Governor points can be earnt.

Al-Mutawakkil (Only Rely on God): +50% bonus to all faith yields, -50% Amenities, and -25% purchase cost of religious units.

Al-Muwaffaq (Upholder of the Faith): +50% production towards Mamluks, and Mamluks have +25% combat bonus. Recapturing Free Cities grants Faith.

Al-Nasir li-Din Allah (The One Who Gives Victory): +2 movement and +20% combat bonus to military units when in a Dark Era.

Al-Mansur (Dawn of the Abbasids): +50% production towards Settlers and Builders upon escaping a Dark Era, and +25% production towards Buildings and Districts in cities for the same Era they were founded in.

Al-Khayzuran (Shadow Eminence): Gain a Spy at Civil Service and another at Mercenaries. Spies can be purchased with Gold for half their production cost but only in the capital. Spies increase Loyalty of your cities when garrisoned within it.

Al-Walid I (Umayyad Zenith): +25% Gold, Culture and Great Writer points in cities with with an established Governor. Gain access to the unique Viceroy Governor Hajjaj ibn Yusuf.

 

[Patine]

Alternate leaders for Arabia:

Abd al-Malik (Abu'l-Quds): 25% Wonder production in Holy Cities, constructing Wonders in Holy Cities grants increased Era Score and burst of faith, and Wonders in Holy Cities grant increased Tourism. Captured Holy Cities of other religions act as a Holy City for your religion.

Umar II (Rightly-Guided): +50% production towards Holy Sites, and -25% production towards Districts of all other types. Holy Sites provide Amenities and Influence points.

Marwan I (Nepo Papa): Cities with an established Governor provide Governor points, and Influence points once no more Governor points can be earnt.

Al-Mutawakkil (Only Rely on God): +50% bonus to all faith yields, -50% Amenities, and -25% purchase cost of religious units.

Al-Muwaffaq (Upholder of the Faith): +50% production towards Mamluks, and Mamluks have +25% combat bonus. Recapturing Free Cities grants Faith.

Al-Nasir li-Din Allah (The One Who Gives Victory): +2 movement and +20% combat bonus to military units when in a Dark Era.

Al-Mansur (Dawn of the Abbasids): +50% production towards Settlers and Builders upon escaping a Dark Era, and +25% production towards Buildings and Districts in cities for the same Era they were founded in.

Al-Khayzuran (Shadow Eminence): Gain a Spy at Civil Service and another at Mercenaries. Spies can be purchased with Gold for half their production cost but only in the capital. Spies increase Loyalty of your cities when garrisoned within it.

Al-Walid I (Umayyad Zenith): +25% Gold, Culture and Great Writer points in cities with with an established Governor. Gain access to the unique Viceroy Governor Hajjaj ibn Yusuf.

Fahd bin Abdullahaziz Al Saud - Once an oil resource is secured, a bonus in turning city-states to vassals and some mechanism to gain more influence in the World Congress (not enitrely a serious proposal)

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

Fahd bin Abdullahaziz Al Saud - Once an oil resource is secured, a bonus in turning city-states to vassals and some mechanism to gain more influence in the World Congress (not enitrely a serious proposal)

Oil resources grant Influence points and Diplomatic Favour

 

[Patine]

That works evem more concisely, and what I was stumbling around.