The Kingdom of Scotland - start in 960 AD Leader: Robert the Bruce The Power of Defiance: Lower stability penalty for losing cities and whenever you do, your other cities get free defenders. UU: Sheltron - the ultimate anti-cavalry formation, but it's inflexibility makes it somewhat weak against everything else. UB: Shieling - a system of transferring livestock with the seasons to keep them on good grazing grounds. A smokehouse replacement with extra bonuses for Sheep. UHV's: Fortification: Have 10 Forts and 3 Castles in 1296. The Auld Alliance: Have 1000 Attitude points with France by 1560. You get points for good relations, open borders, exports, imports, and common wars. The Celtic Union: Control Scotland, the Isles, Ireland, Wales and Bretagne in 1700.
I just found it. And its pretty doable. you can get 1000/1100 points by that time but not 2500!!!!! also why push castles to 4? there is soo few usable city spots?
You also changed the Novgorodian UHVs to be harder...
I agree with the Attitude points - 2,500 is too much considering the vagaries of French survival. If they collapse or are vassalised you can basically kiss the game goodbye. Although four castles is fine - build two in Scotland, one in Ireland and one in Wales and you are fine. Just make sure to invade Wales early to get the stone.
Don't think the Novgorodian UHVs are any harder, if anything they are easier now the Livonia conquest has been moved back far enough beyond the Teutonic spawn.
I've never failed the first scottish uhv, but the second always.
On Novgorod: Defender of Rus': Control Novgorod, Finland and Estonia in 1250. The Fur Trade: Gain access to ten sources of fur by 1397. The Great Hinterlands: Have five cities in Karelia, Rostov, and Vologda in 1478.
There is no Livonia at all and ten furs not 11 or 12 And you need Finnland for furs anyway...
5 cities not 7 (7 city is pointless anyway! there is 5 good spot, maximum 6.)
I don't remember why I set it to the Scottish UHV to 2500, but I'm pretty sure it was based on feedback.
Will lower it if it's the general opinion. What should be the new value? 1500? 2000?
@gilgames
I'm not sure what do you want to say.
This is RFCE, not ++.
As I stated in 1.3, I took inspiration from it for the initial version of many new UHVs.
But even where the UHVs are similar, I changed them to the needs of the mod and to my taste obviously.
Furthermore many were updated a couple times even during the development for 1.3, or since then.
Swarbs said that the novgorodian UHVs are not harder in RFCE than in RFCE++. I wanted to show him that it seems a lot more easy in ++. thats all. Besides if you ask me, it doesnt matter you settle +0 or +2 cities in those provinces. Its not a problem to do, just pointless, to settle them 1 turn before deadline. I also admit that taking finnland is less "fun" instead of livonia, but feels more appropriate to me.
Swarbs said that the novgorodian UHVs are not harder in RFCE than in RFCE++. I wanted to show him that it seems a lot more easy in ++. thats all. Besides if you ask me, it doesnt matter you settle +0 or +2 cities in those provinces. Its not a problem to do, just pointless, to settle them 1 turn before deadline. I also admit that taking finnland is less "fun" instead of livonia, but feels more appropriate to me.
You weren't clear when you were talking about. The last change to the Novgorodian UHVs in mainstream RFCE was to move the Livonia conquest goal back from 1250 to 1284 to take account of the Prussian spawn date. They are still very easy to achieve given how long you have and the lack of real competition for most of them. Tho' there's an argument for incorporating Rostov into the city settlement goal to give more sites and create some competition with Muscovy.
This is kind of random, but if you want a more challenging Scottish goal you could have them control all of the British Isles for UHV #3 in addition to Bretagne. The Danes have a similar goal in holding a lot of unstable territory, and seeing as how defeating the English could be seen as an ultimate Celtic Brythonic restoration and that there exists a cool dynamic name--the Kinrick o Great Breetain I think?--for this situation it would be a slightly added challenge
True, but then in that case England should be buffed or something. Either that or give Scotland a mega-super-duper Celtic Union goal, so hold Britannia, Gallia, south Germania, Austria, Lusitania, Pannonia, deep breath, Flanders, Transylvania, parts of Thrace, and Galatia; in other words the maximum territorial extent of the ancient Celts.
Why do the Scots care about creating a "Celtic Union", that is some 19th century mumbo-jumbo. No Scot ever said: "We must unite the Celtic People"... history is not some sequel to Braveheart. Just make Scotland unplayable and let's move on. Its a waste of space IMO, and coming up with good UHVs for it is ridiculous, just like the current UHVs are ridiculous.
The Northern areas (Highlands) were all clans, independent from each other, and the lowlands were separated by squabbling Lords, who were later replaced by a Norman aristocracy. So even within tiny Scotland, very little land was actually controlled from Edinburgh.
This is kind of random, but if you want a more challenging Scottish goal you could have them control all of the British Isles for UHV #3 in addition to Bretagne. The Danes have a similar goal in holding a lot of unstable territory, and seeing as how defeating the English could be seen as an ultimate Celtic Brythonic restoration and that there exists a cool dynamic name--the Kinrick o Great Breetain I think?--for this situation it would be a slightly added challenge
Their DCN for conquering/vassalizing England is just Kingdom of Great Britain in English IIRC, but it definitely seems like an improvement to the current UHV.
Their DCN for conquering/vassalizing England is just Kingdom of Great Britain in English IIRC, but it definitely seems like an improvement to the current UHV.
Maybe I'm playing on too old an edition, since the one time I tried Scotland (and failed because I couldn't rack up enough France points) I got a Civ name pretty similar to that when I took London
EDIT: and no, even if I hadn't conquered England I wouldn't have been able to get enough France points
Certainly not one of the most correctly portrayed civs, but Scotland stays. Period.
Why would I want to remove it? If someone doesn't like it, just think of it as a special minor civ, and never play with it.
We can improve the UHVs in quite a few ways, to be both more fun and closer to something historically plausible.
First of all, what would be desired goal for the Auld Alliance UHV? 1500? 2000?
1500, probably, since it's so dependent on how France is doing? Someone with more Scotland experience can override this though!
Did you already reject including a successful Darien Scheme as part of UHV #3? I know colonies as a UHV goal are incredibly common but this was one time Scotland actually attempted to expand onto the world stage and as such is significant
Wasn't there also at some point a suggestion to let you gain points with Burgundy as well as France? I'm not sure how this would work out but it would help make a buffer for the times when France collapses, since it really is the only UHV that is so completely dependent on another civ.
1500, probably, since it's so dependent on how France is doing? Someone with more Scotland experience can override this though!
Did you already reject including a successful Darien Scheme as part of UHV #3? I know colonies as a UHV goal are incredibly common but this was one time Scotland actually attempted to expand onto the world stage and as such is significant
Not rejected, to be honest I don't remember if it came up before.
So not completely out of the picture, but I would like to avoid another colony goal if there are better options.
Wasn't there also at some point a suggestion to let you gain points with Burgundy as well as France? I'm not sure how this would work out but it would help make a buffer for the times when France collapses, since it really is the only UHV that is so completely dependent on another civ.
Yeah, that's the main problem with it.
The thing is that I'm kinda attached to that goal, because of it's sheer uniqueness.
Would be sad if we had to remove it...
It was one of Morholt's original UHVs btw.
Adding Burgundy might help to some extent, but not a real solution.
For now I will only lower the goal, but will get back to this around the UHV updates.
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and ten furs not 11 or 12 And you need Finnland for furs anyway...
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