Diplo for TNT

I guess if we're considering it we could simply have them send it with a peace agreement. Question is do we want it or do we want more? I presume the worker is there so they can road into us. Should we ask for an extension to discuss?
 
Even in the best case scenario for peace, all we get is three cities max, a military tech we can't use for 40+ turns unless we attack the Nuts (which I am NOT proposing) and theology.

Besides, if they are holding settlers the unrestricted land rights won't help us much, they would fill it up.

Unless it is going to weaken us to the point of not being able to take on MIA, I am for sticking with the TNT war a bit longer.

They have not yet felt the wrath of the pillaging GS. Plus, with three pikes and a few trebs, we could secure a city on their continent, rush a rax and upgrade the GS after their pillaging is done. A core of about a dozen MI by the time we are done is a nice addition to any MA combined arms.

Besides, war sells newspapers :D

Sincerely,

William Randolf Hearst (aka KB)
 
cigar man said:
How sure are we that the Scientifics have Chivarly?
VERY SURE.. I opened the save in CA2 and MIA does have it. It can only be assumed that TNT does as well since their hoplites are in bed with TNT's wenches....bad picture I know but it drives the point home
 
We need neither of those techs to meet our objective of early Cavalry. Sure knights are a cheap upgrade but it is because they are expensive to begin with. Maces are the better buy all the way around.

Keep stiffening the expeditionary force and wait for TNT to commit themselves to the fatal blunder....then straight for the capitol with everything we can muster.
 
If they have chivalry, that makes their latest move make more sense. They are going to set up a colony on the horses, build some knights and come after us that way.
 
Better get pikes and trebs.

And/or some Mounted Warriors screaming up from the south might be nice. Have we discussed with the Nuts that possibility?
 
So are we still talking with TNT?

At the moment they probably won't give us any concessions for peace. We might want to offer them a steep price for peace. Say something like:

- Peace for 50 turns.
- TNT cannot settle east of any of their present cities
- They have to give us their next three techs that they research or receive on the upper tree.
- They are not allowed to research on the lower tree for the 50 turns.
 
@Bugs: I have no idea if anyone is talking to TNT. Most of the stuff I've read indicates this will be a fight to the death. 'sno biggie to me. Let 'em come with Knights... combined arms will carry this day.

I seriously hope they come after us at the soon-to-be-founded town of Spite. It will be their undoing.
 
I can send that.. I've been talking to BCLG100 about other stuff as of late. But I can bring up the war if you guys want me to. Just let me know and I'll PM him your proposal.

After all their first peace terms was that they let us leave :lol:
 
I was confused for a minute and was about to post that your sketch didn't show up. Then I was confused again and saw things more clearly after my second cup of coffee.
 
Apparently TNT is resettling already. I'll post my conversation with Simon (BCLG100) when we are done.
 
here is most of our conversation... it trailed off into talking about civ4 and poker
Spoiler :
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
hey, so where you plannning on dumping that settler?
Tubby Rower says:
what settler?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
from KISS
Tubby Rower says:
oh... don't know yet.. .he's jsut on a tour
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well i know a nice little spot
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
but it means you have to get back on your boat
Tubby Rower says:

jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
and back to where it came from
Tubby Rower says:

Tubby Rower says:
we had a suggestion for peace terms
Tubby Rower says:
you wanna hear it?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
.... do i
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
or is it just not gonna happen terms
Tubby Rower says:
1. Peace for 50 turns.
2. TNT cannot settle east of any of their present cities
3. TNT has to give KISS their next three techs that they research or receive on the upper tree
4. TNT is not allowed to research on the lower tree for the 50 turns.
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
errrr
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
cant really see any agreement to that
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
maybe one of the points but not all
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well 2, the peace one and another one
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
but number 4 is out
Tubby Rower says:
which other one?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
we cant get a military for 50 turns so in 50 turns when peace is over you can just walk right in
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
i dunno, number 3 perhaps?
Tubby Rower says:
ok.. understandable
Tubby Rower says:
what about 2?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
hmmm
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well depends when the treaty is signed
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
you'll see when you open up the save
Tubby Rower says:
oh. is it to us?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
errr
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
not sure, think so
Tubby Rower says:
no 125 in our box yet
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
i think we've finished
Tubby Rower says:
must be in MIA's hands
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
ah ok
Tubby Rower says:
we'll prolly get it tonite
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well you'll see anyways that we're resettling the area already
Tubby Rower says:
ok....more artifacts?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
so you could see the save and then see if you really want to do number 2 is it?
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
no these ones'll be defended
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
i'll post your 4 things though
Tubby Rower says:
ok... well it sounds like we are making progress
Tubby Rower says:
My HT game is starting
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
cool gl
Tubby Rower says:
thanks
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
i might not watch, kinda need an early night tonight
Tubby Rower says:
that's fine.
Tubby Rower says:
I need to head to bed early too but it's only 7 here
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
yer, hows your wife doing? its getting closer to the date isnt it?
Tubby Rower says:
yup the due date is this coming Monday
Tubby Rower says:
she's REALLY miserable and big
Tubby Rower says:
hauling all of that weight in your stomach is painful
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well i can only imagine, least it'll be over soon
Tubby Rower says:
hopefully.
Tubby Rower says:
it could go on for another 2.5 weeks
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
still nearing an end
Tubby Rower says:
yup, but it seems like she'll be like this forever
Tubby Rower says:
she's cute pregnant and all but she's miserable and I can't do anything to help
Tubby Rower says:

jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
well i cant really relate but so long as your there for her, that should be enough
Tubby Rower says:
yeah but it's frustrating... plus we just buried her grandmother today
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
oh, not good
Tubby Rower says:
it was sort of expected but you can never be prepared for that
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
yer 2 of my grandparents are dead, both after being in hospital for a few days but you never see it coming
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
anyways, on lighter topics, if youve got 50 turns with us and about 40 with MIA
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
what are you gonna do with the nutters?
Tubby Rower says:
hmm.. don't know.. we'll entertain ourselves somehow
jack the lad (Seth){Care Bear}, whatever says:
lol ok
 
My condolences to Mrs. Rower on her loss. Even when it is expected it is hard.

Sounds like they are up for a discussion of peace terms. I'm sure they settled directly on the horses. Do we know whether they have chivialry yet or not?

If they settled, they probably aren't going to be attacking Spite anytime soon. That will give Scout more time build up some defenses.

Maybe it is time for a sneak attack on the opposite coast. :devil:
 
Ok the save is in our InBox I opened it up to see the new city, but there is no new city. Their stack is growing a tad. It is now located 1 NE of the horses.

Stack composition (total = 14)
2 workers
5 vet pikes
2 reg pikes
1 elite Immo
1 vet Immo
3 reg Immo


As far as research goes. CA2 is reporting their techs so I'm assuming that it is accurate. Only Greece knows Theology and Chivlary.
 
Tubby Rower said:
Stack composition (total = 14)
2 workers
5 vet pikes
2 reg pikes
1 elite Immo
1 vet Immo
3 reg Immo
I just sent an e-mail to TNT and the game admins. One of those units is listed as "Farhad (0.0.1)". That might be a settler, not a worker. I asked for clarification.
 
it's a worker... in CA2 it doesn't look at the custom names. it just says worker twice. I just double checked and there is no settler in that stack.
 
is that TNT stack on grass? If so, there's not much difference in GS vs Pike than Horseman vs Spear. If we have enough GS's in the area and they're not on a hill, I say we take a shot at it.
 
yes they are on grass. here is a pic of the position and the combat calc from CA2. It looks like we have a 75% chance of survival vs the 3 pikes if we use the elites
 

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