Discussion about Shoshone in BNW

[ptoss1]

I build three scouts. Perfect civ for me.

 

[ImperialChaos]

I always wanted a western/plains tribe and understand they decided to take the peaceful tribe route rather than another nomad warmonger (Zulu). That said, I NEVER use scouts. I would rather be isolated and build my first few cities without hassle from the AI. That will change now due to the World Congress. The Comanche horsemen is my personal favorite of the civ.

 

[Pikachao]

In order to get two rings, ou need 18 tiles. If by default each civ starts with 6 tiles, that is enough to cover the first ring, you need 12 more to fill the second ring, but if they start with 12 rings, they need 6 more tiles to fill the second ring, and I heard Ed/Dennis seem to say that when you plop the city it will go into free tiles mode and pick the best suiting tiles.

I see, I see. I get it now. 12 seems like just the right amount to me personally. People were suggesting only 3 extra, and that seemed very weak to me, so this good, and allows for cooler starting borders than just a second ring

 

[BluegrassGeek]

Yep, really liking the sound of the Shoshone. 12 tiles seems about right: not OP, not useless. I especially like the quote from the Polygon article:

"I just like it because they present, in a way, a moral challenge. You don't worry about kicking Montezuma's butt, because he's a jerk. Pocatello, you're like, 'He's kind of a nice guy. Kind of an honorable guy.'"

 

[SnowKomodo]

They mentioned that the Pathfinder works like the Maya in that you can only choose each bonus once.

If you have two Pathfinders running around, is this still true?

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Nope, in the Live Stream #2 Ed or Dennis mentioned that "you can only pick these bonuses once, and you have to wait until you pick the others before you can pick them again"

and I believe once you pick ALL of the bonuses from GP ou can star tpicking them up, but beforey ou can do that the end game is already near.

 

[ptoss1]

Nope, in the Live Stream #2 Ed or Dennis mentioned that "you can only pick these bonuses once, and you have to wait until you pick the others before you can pick them again"

and I believe once you pick ALL of the bonuses from GP ou can star tpicking them up, but beforey ou can do that the end game is already near.

As expected. Still very powerful.

 

[Pikachao]

Nope, in the Live Stream #2 Ed or Dennis mentioned that "you can only pick these bonuses once, and you have to wait until you pick the others before you can pick them again"

and I believe once you pick ALL of the bonuses from GP ou can star tpicking them up, but beforey ou can do that the end game is already near.

so that just means you have to have two ruins that are useless at the very end of the cycle so you can pick up good stuff again.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

I can already see the Map and Barbarians Encampents being the last two xD.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I wonder if it's worth starting with the map and getting it out of the way first. Doing that, you might reveal more goodie huts.

 

[God of Kings]

I wonder if it's worth starting with the map and getting it out of the way first. Doing that, you might reveal more goodie huts.

That is one of the few times when getting a map is the best (along with finding natural wonders/city states/other civs/good second city spot).

 

[JSMCAG]

I wonder if it's worth starting with the map and getting it out of the way first. Doing that, you might reveal more goodie huts.

Keyword here being might - this is a rather high risk, high reward option. Since knowing where they are doesn't give you assurance you'll be able to collect them (the AI sure loves to snipe Ancient Ruins right from under your nose! ), I'm not entirely sure on how useful it is.

 

[Pikachao]

I wonder if it's worth starting with the map and getting it out of the way first. Doing that, you might reveal more goodie huts.

yea, map might be worth actually getting some use out of early on. It's only truly useless when you've revealed the map area already. The only truly useless one (at least for me) is the barbarians one.

I'm just assuming this, but I think if you play at higher difficulty you won't get to choose a settler ruin and at lower ones you can. Lower difficulties get settler ruins, right? Or am I thinking of Civ 3?

 

[God of Kings]

Only in Settler difficulty can you get a settler from the ruins, hence the name of the difficulty.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

Only in Settler difficulty can you get a settler from the ruins, hence the name of the difficulty.

I believe Settler is available in Settler difficulty, and Workers in both Chieftain and Settler, on Warlord you do not get either.

 

[Leugi]

A bit of the Leader Scene

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

It's kind of funny that they put Washakie's spear in there with Pocatello.

Spoiler :

 

[turingmachine]

I think one of the most interesting things is that in the live stream they said the Pathfinder upgrades to the Composite Bowman (not regular Archer) with the Goody Hut upgrade. Of course you have to choose each goody bonus once before cycling again, but the option for a very powerful next era unit is an interesting bonus that makes that early choice more favorable compared to the obvious faith and science choice.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

I think one of the most interesting things is that in the live stream they said the Pathfinder upgrades to the Composite Bowman (not regular Archer) with the Goody Hut upgrade. Of course you have to choose each goody bonus once before cycling again, but the option for a very powerful next era unit is an interesting bonus that makes that early choice more favorable compared to the obvious faith and science choice.

Yeah, I could see going with the Composite Bow for the second, or even first ruin, and clearing out a midsized continent (All Terrain "Warriors" that can get survivalism, and a Composite Bow)

 

[InsanelyApple]

I wonder how they chose the capital. Googling "Moson Kahni" gave me four results that look relevant.

Harvest & Diet - NW Band of Shoshone Nation
NW Band of Shoshone Nation
What We Know About Brave New World - Page 34
Coyote Steals Fire - DigitalCommons@USU - Utah State University

Two of them are a brief mention of the place on the Shoeshone's website. (It being a winter retreat for them.) One is this forum. The final one is just a Shoeshone storybook.