Discussion: Unique Epics

Quick question: Is the list in the second post still up to date?

The Greek Heroic Epic has quote and picture I would not feel satisfied with to suggest myself.
If the famous hollow wooden horse is mentioned at all in the Iliad it plays a very minor role. I feel some quote about Achilles would be more fitting to represent the Iliad.

eg.
Sing, goddess, the wrath of Achilles Peleus' son, the ruinous wrath that
brought on the Achaians woes innumerable, and hurled down into Hades
many strong souls of heroes, and gave their bodies to be a prey to dogs
and all winged fowls.
(the first line of the Iliad)

Perhaps accompanied by a picture of Achilles dragging the body of the vanquished Hector behind his chariot.
 
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For Turks:
National Epic should be Ergenekon or Orkhon Inscriptions. Orkhon Inscriptions explain the deeds of Bilge Khagan and foundation of Second Turkish Khaganate, it's more like a biography than a legend. But if a legend is preferred then it should be Ergenekon*. It explains the foundation of Turkic Khaganate.


Dede Korkut Stories is not a single epic, it's just a collection of myths, so I don't think it's suitable for an individual "epic". But if Poetic Edda is considered an epic then Dede Korkut would be okay as well.

For the heroic epic, it's definitely "The Legend of Oghuz Khagan", Köroğlu might be suitable for Ottomans but not too much for the Central Asian Turks.

*:Civ funfact, Doviello in FFHII share almost the same origin story with Turks (Sons of Asena entry).


For the Ottomans:

Dream of Osman is not even a proper epic, so I think there should be a better alternative. But the problem is Ottoman literature was written in Farsi/Arabic so noone actually reads them in Turkey and they are not very popular, but we can pick Masnavi if that is okay.
If non-epic verbal literature is okay Nasreddin Hodja has the biggest influence in Turkish culture in my opinion.

If republican era is okay then "Kuvayi Milliye Destanı" by Nazim Hikmet would be my candidate. I couldn't find any English sources but Nazim Hikmet is definitely the most famous Turkish poet and this is a relatively known epic in Turkey.

For the heroic epic, Köroğlu Destanı is a very good choice.



These are my suggestions for the quotes:
Orkhon Inscriptions:
To the south the Chinese people was our foe, to the North Baz kagan and the people of the Nine Oguz’s were our foes; Kirghiz, kurikans, Thirty Tatars, Kitays and Tatabis — they were all hostile to us; all these had my father, the kagan, fight*. Forty-seven times he went campaigning, and fought in twenty fights. By the will of Heaven we took from them that had a kingdom their kingdom, and them that had a kagan we robbed of their kagan; he made the foes to keep the peace, and made them bow their head and bend their knee.

*:Not sure about the grammar tbh, I don't know this structure in English. But it's like they made his father fight.
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Oghuz Khagan:

"I have become your Khan;
Let's all take swords and shields;
Kut (divine power) will be our sign;
Gray wolf will be our uran (battle cry);
Our iron lances will be a forest;
Khulan will walk on the hunting ground;
More seas and more rivers;
Sun is our flag and sky is our tent."

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Köroğlu Destanı - Köroğlu Legend:

"I'm the sword of God, I'm seeking the just *
I challenge the Shah, and the Padishah
Awake from your sleep and you'll join me"

*: God and just are homonymous in Turkish, so it sounds better in Turkish

Quote that is mentioned in first page is also okay imo.

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Not sure about Masnavi, don't know too much about it.

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Nasreddin Hodja:
Mulla had lost his ring in the living room. He searched for it for a while, but since he could not find it, he went out into the yard and began to look there. His wife, who saw what he was doing, asked: “Mulla, you lost your ring in the room, why are you looking for it in the yard?” Mulla stroked his beard and said: “The room is too dark and I can’t see very well. I came out to the courtyard to look for my ring because there is much more light out here.”

Well, Nasreddin is just a common character in many jokes and these are neither epics or poems. but he is the most popular character in Turkish literature.
 
I know this is a little late, but now I am thinking about this again, especially the images.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Battle_of_Roanoke_Island.png
This image should go along with the Red Badge of Courage as it shows the Union standard being carried into battle, going in appropriately with the theme of the novel.

For Rome, I have this proposal
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...pg/1920px-Aeneas_Latium_BM_GR1927.12-12.1.jpg
Aeneas landing in Latium

The current image of the Mongol Warriors is no longer working, I propose this one
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Mongol_soldiers_by_Rashid_al-Din_1305.JPG

This one is for Osman's dream. While not made by a Ottoman, it is relatively period appropriate and shows Ottoman Constantinople (16th century)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Melchior_Lorck_-_The_Prospect_of_Constantinople_(section).jpg/1156px-Melchior_Lorck_-_The_Prospect_of_Constantinople_(section).jpg

Don't know if copywrite is an issue but this picture could be used for Sina and the eel
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/13/c9/3d13c95aee666542d66a4991377156ca.jpg
 
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Suggestion for Congo:
They saw bananas, and palm-trees, and mandioca, growing in great quantities, but dared not eat the fruit thereof. Then the river-spirit called to them, and told them to eat of these good things. And the tiniest of the three tried a banana and found it very sweet. Then the other two ate them, and found them very good. And after this they ate of the other trees, and so grew up well nurtured and strong; and they learnt how to become carpenters and blacksmiths, and built themselves houses. The river-spirit supplied them with women for wives; and soon they multiplied and created a town of their own.
Notes on the Folklore of the Fjort

National Epic

Those who died never went away:They are in the shadow that lights up And also in the shadow that folds in upon itself.The dead are not beneath the ground:They are in the leaves that rustle,They are in the wood that groans,They are in the water that rushes,They are in the water at rest,They are with the people, they are in the hut.The dead are not dead

Heroic Epic Souffles
Pictures:
https://cosmosmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/191218-Congo_River.jpg
and/or
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...22.1136_Figure_of_Mother_and_Child_Phemba.jpg
 
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Civilization | Type | Name | Image | Quote
Italy | National | Divine Comedy
Italy | Heroic | Orlando Furioso






Image for Dante's Divine Comedy
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Dante_Domenico_di_Michelino_Duomo_Florence.jpg

Quote for Dante's Divine Comedy:

«Ahi serva Italia, di dolore ostello,
nave sanza nocchiere in gran tempesta,
non donna di provincie, ma bordello!»


«Ah, Italy, you servant, for pain a hostel,
a boat in a storm, without a helmsman,
not a lady but woman of brothel!»



Image for Ariosto's Orlando Furioso
https://i.imgur.com/vq8OerS.jpg
 
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Oh I'm happy to see this thread revived! I'll read it again sometime soon to try to determine what remains to be done. I love the idea and I think we should finish finding content when we can!

I hope so too!
I have assignments tonight, but Ill add some more picture proposals soon. It seems that most of the Civs had epics picked out already but not quotes.
 
Please put your suggestions here, we can't bet on the front chart being updated
Yeah, sorry about that. I think you need to change the doc settings though, to enable others to edit it. I'll add your link to the OP once that happens.
 
Yeah, sorry about that. I think you need to change the doc settings though, to enable others to edit it. I'll add your link to the OP once that happens.
Is the link not working?
 
I'm able to edit it, though I'm not sure if others are able to (can someone else check to confirm?) I've added the link to the front page.

For the Harappa, I know they left no literature and we're still not able to translate the few writing samples recovered. I'm wondering if we could get away with using selections from the Rig Veda, introduced by the Aryan people when they entered the Indian subcontinent. One in particular -- the nadistuti, or 'Hymn of Rivers' (10.75) -- specifically focuses on the Indus River. It was probably composed several centuries after the collapse of Harappan civilization, but it's easy to imagine a Harappan poet coming up with the same sentiment.

O mighty waters, this poet proclaims your greatness before the sun-god Vivasvan’s hall;
The waters proceed, seven and seven, across the three lands, but Sindhu surpasses all in brilliance
 
I'm able to edit it, though I'm not sure if others are able to (can someone else check to confirm?) I've added the link to the front page.

For the Harappa, I know they left no literature and we're still not able to translate the few writing samples recovered. I'm wondering if we could get away with using selections from the Rig Veda, introduced by the Aryan people when they entered the Indian subcontinent. One in particular -- the nadistuti, or 'Hymn of Rivers' (10.75) -- specifically focuses on the Indus River. It was probably composed several centuries after the collapse of Harappan civilization, but it's easy to imagine a Harappan poet coming up with the same sentiment.

Given the general lack of any sources on Harappa, I am going to go ahead and put this in the chart.
 
Image for Dante's Divine Comedy
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/58/Dante_Domenico_di_Michelino_Duomo_Florence.jpg

Quote for Dante's Divine Comedy:

«Ahi serva Italia, di dolore ostello,
nave sanza nocchiere in gran tempesta,
non donna di provincie, ma bordello!»


«Ah, Italy, you servant, for pain a hostel,
a boat in a storm, without a helmsman,
not a lady but woman of brothel!»



Image for Ariosto's Orlando Furioso
https://i.imgur.com/vq8OerS.jpg

I have put your suggestions in the google Doc.
Can you find a quote for Furioso, if you would like? :)
 
Given the general lack of any sources on Harappa, I am going to go ahead and put this in the chart.
Did a bit more digging into Rig Veda. Looks like there are a number of hymns dedicated to the Maruts -- storm gods who are described as especially warlike. Given that the Indus Valley Civilization was almost certainly based on monsoon-fed rivers (dry riverbeds that only flowed after monsoon rains), such storms would be of central importance to Harappan culture, and it's fair to say such storm gods would have likewise been central to Harappan religion.

Here are the related hymns to the Maruts, with links to a free translation. Given the number of potential candidates and my general unfamiliarity with what passages of the Rig Veda would be considered significant, I'm not sure my choice would be better than random. If someone else knows Indian culture, or wants to take a look and find one that suits, go ahead.

Rig Veda 5.52-61 (link to Book 5)
Rig Veda 6.66 (link to Book 6)
Rig Veda 7.56-59 (link to Book 7)
 
Unrelated: for Persia, it's not really literature, but the Behistun Inscription is pretty amazing and important in its own right -- both for linguistics (it is the 'Rosetta Stone' of cuneiform, as a multi-lingual inscription that allowed us to translate old Akkadian) and for history -- it provides evidence of how Persia was ruled (especially after the death of Cyrus the Great) and showcases the rise of Zoroastrianism within Persian culture. Even if we don't use the text, we could probably use an image of Behistun as the background picture.
 
For Canada's epic, I believe there was a consensus to use The Hockey Sweater as opposed to Anne of Green Gables. Would a painting in the naive style of Miyuki Tanobe be epic enough? I think her paintings of urban hockey scenes complement the story well and capture something very typical of the culture here. There are several, here's my pick.
 
For Canada's epic, I believe there was a consensus to use The Hockey Sweater as opposed to Anne of Green Gables. Would a painting in the naive style of Miyuki Tanobe be epic enough? I think her paintings of urban hockey scenes complement the story well and capture something very typical of the culture here. There are several, here's my pick.
Can you find a quote?
EDIT: I see we already have it
 
Unrelated: for Persia, it's not really literature, but the Behistun Inscription is pretty amazing and important in its own right -- both for linguistics (it is the 'Rosetta Stone' of cuneiform, as a multi-lingual inscription that allowed us to translate old Akkadian) and for history -- it provides evidence of how Persia was ruled (especially after the death of Cyrus the Great) and showcases the rise of Zoroastrianism within Persian culture. Even if we don't use the text, we could probably use an image of Behistun as the background picture.
you mean this picture?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...s.jpg/1920px-Behistun_inscription_reliefs.jpg
 
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