dl1 -- Xenophobia

[dl123654]

If it's offensive, we're doing this without ever having a GA?

I was planning Pymarids (rel), Colossus, Great Library (sci) and MoM (sci). Maybe Oracle, Hanging Gardens or Lighthouse as well, SoZ is we can. Our UU is 2,2,1 so yes we won't be using them.

I think we should use Nineveh to expand around our capital, and then out in concentric cirlces. However, dl has played this before, so he might know better how to expand outwards.

We want as much 3 or more spacing around our capital, likewise with our next "ring". As soon as theres ~75% corruption it would just be better to ICS from there.

 

[DaveShack]

2550 BC Turn 0
1g +1gpt Alphabet in 7

2510 BC Turn 1
nada

2470 BC Turn 2
Babylon completes spear, starts another
Nineveh completes worker, starts barracks
Nineveh borders expand
existing worker completes work, both move to BG between Nineveh and Babylon
Spear forts in Nineveh

2430 BC Turn 3
workers start a mine

2390 BC Turn 4
nada

2350 BC Turn 5
Babylon borders expand

2310 BC Turn 6
Babylon completes spear, starts settler
fort spear for now
Reduce science to 10%, Alphabet still in 1
workers complete mine, start road

2270 BC Turn 7
Alphabet done, start Writing. 80%, 24 turns

2230 BC Turn 8
Workers finish road, move to another BG

2190 BC Turn 9
Workers start mine

2150 BC Turn 10
Babylon grows, Settler in 2
Writing in 21 at 80% (+1gpt) or 14 at 90% (-1gpt)
we have 14 gold.

 

[dl123654]

got it

 

[dl123654]

Save

Not much happened.

Founded Ashur southeast, started temple, next build should be colossus
There is a barrack now in Nineveh
Babylon is now building a barrack
Our 4th city should build a temple then Pymarids
Writing in 10

 

[demonpoet]

Got it, will play a bit later this afternoon.

 

[demonpoet]

pre-turn

MM Ninebeh to get another commerce, writ now in 9.

turn 1 1725bc

turn 2 1700bc

Nineveh, sett, build spear. Move set and spear towards build site just across the river.

turn 3 1675bc

Babylon, barrack complete, build spear

losing gold, drop science to 50%, writ back up to 9 turns away.

turn 4 1650bc

Ellipi founded, begin Temple.

writ in 6 with 1gpt, can't get it sooner, might as well make a buck.

turn 5 1625

AHHH!!! Orange borders appear next to Nineveh.

now making 2gpt

turn 6 1600bc

turn 7 1575

spear finished, begin Sett in Babylon

turn 8 1550

temple finished, start colossus in Ashur

turn 9 1525bc

spear finished, start worker in nineveh(we need infrastructure)

Writ in 1 turn

turn 10 1500bc

Set research to Philos. Thinking getting philos is quicker then Lit, and we can get lit free if we get Philos first, which is probable since this is regent. If there is a difference of oppinion don't hesitate to change what we study at this point.

I've set science to 70%, our break even point. although we do now hove 10g.

The builds in Babylon and Nineveh can be changed, since they were my own decision on what was best. I do know we need more workers, and I also think we want more cities, so I think these builds are best, but am open to other oppinions.

after the temple in Ellipi start the Pyr, per dl.

don't worry, I made no attempt to meet the owners of those orange borders, didn't even check the space race to find out who it was...hope this Xenophobia doesn't spread to my real life...hehe.

 

[DaveShack]

Got it. (extra to go over 10 char)

Turn 2, 1450 BC
Settler done, start spear
Worker done, start spear
Ashur borders expand

Turn 6, 1350 BC
Akkad founded 2 N of Ashur. On expansion it will control a source of spices. Temple started

An orange clad worker appears on a hill. We, of course, pay him no attention.

Turn 7, 1325 BC
Joan of the French contact us and tries to give us pottery in exchange for writing. We rebuff her advances.
We have 6 gold (was running a defecit for a few turns) and are 6 turns from Philosophy.

Turn 9, 1275 BC. Babylon completes spear, starts settler.
Nineveh completes spear, starts worker
Ellipi completes temple, starts pyramids
MM Ashur to produce colossus in 26 turns
Science to 60%, Philosophy in 5 turns at +1gpt

Turn 10, 1250 BC.

7 gold, +1 gpt. Philosophy in 3, colossus in 25, pyramids in 133.

 

[dl123654]

got it

 

[dl123654]

Save

Turn 2 we get philo and lit
Change lots of builds to libs

Turn 8 research myth, turn off research

This gives us Pymarids, GL, Collossus, MoM and Oracle to build, we should get 3 or 4 of them

 

[demonpoet]

Got it, will play tomorrow after work.

 

[demonpoet]

Ok, I've checked out the save and would like a little discussion before I play my turns. I don't know how well turning research off is going to help us. Using the G.Lib to get the tech's known by the other civ's can be useful in the right type of game, but in this one we aren't exploring. It could be quite awhile before we meet a 2nd civ to get any thing out of the G.Lib.

Not to mention that we haven't even began construction on it. Turning research off after we get a tech right before completion seems to me a good idea.

Looking at the techs we don't know yet, however, there is really only one I think we should study, Polytheism. This allows us the ToA, which puts a temple, and culture, in each of our cities.

I am fine with using the G.Lib for tech's, you never know, when we finally meet the other civs we may get more techs beyond Edu...if it takes that long. I still say we should study Poly and perhaps Mono(for the HG) unless we are prohibited from learning it as well as using the government.

Let me know soon, or I will play and research Poly for the ToA, because I think it is best for our 100K goal.

 

[dl123654]

I don't like ToA for this type of game, because when it expires at education all those free temples are lost, I rather build and pay for the temples because of the double culture.

The reason I turned off research was to build up some money for later in the game, all these improvements are going to cost a lot later on. Right now we have more than enough wonders to build. The only reason I see to research now is to try for a Scientific Great Leader. When we get to middle ages we should self research mono and theo and turn research off again until education.

 

[demonpoet]

Ok, wasn't thinking about the free temples leaving so soon I guess. I don't have time to play tonightk, will play after work tomorrow.

 

[demonpoet]

Pre-turn 1000bc

nothing

975bc(1)

Building Lib's at 0% sci? Could use a couple more workers first, and another garrison for Ashur.

Switch Akkad to Spear. Will get Lib later, before we start studying again. Lib in Nineveh too far along to switch with out waste.

950bc(2)

Move second spear into Ashur for garrison, will need it in 3 turns. Can still reach the worker for protection if need be.

925bc(3)

Babylon Sett>>GL
Nineveh Lib>>worker

900bc(4)

Uruk founded, begin temple.
Akkad Spear>>worker

875bc(5)

nothing

850bc(6)

nothing

825bc (7)

Nineveh worker>>Oracle

800bc(8)

Akkad worker>>spear

775bc(9)

Spices connected, citizens are happy.

750bc(10)

Nothing...

Ashur;

Collossus in one turn, we can build a couple workers or a settler here. I think we should hold off on the MoM because it is pretty certain we will miss one of the wonders we are currently building, most likely the Pyr. If we don't study anything we'll have nothing to switch to and all our sheilds will be wasted. Granted the cheaper MoM will probably waste some sheilds, but not all of them

Akkad;After spear, build Lib, just occured to me Lib give culture as well as the boost to Sci...wasn't thinking. I do think the worker and spear will help us out in the long run though.

Uruk; After the plains are irrigated and roaded, cut forest to speed up temple and then irrigate for growth. I decided to irrigate and road the plains before cutting the forest because we can continue to grow at +2food while we cut the forest and irrigate the plains with spices. It should work out that the irrigation is complete the turn or turn after we grow to 3.

 

[DaveShack]

Hmm, the no research thing is kinda weird sounding to me. I've literally never tried to get behind...

I'd think we also need Feudalism to get pikes as defenders, and then Gunpowder to upgrade to muskets, just in case someone thinks they can beat up on us so much that it can overcome the "least aggressive" setting.

 

[demonpoet]

By the time we start meeting people, we will prob get Mono, Theo, Feud, and more from the GL. It will take them coming to us. The north seems completely blocked off by the French now, although this is the first time I've seen Joan wearing orange, so most likely will meet AI's from the south, but who knows when. I don't think we'll have to study Mono or Theo...but'll we'll have to wait and see.

 

[DaveShack]

Oops, fell asleep early a couple of nights and forgot to play this.

Got it.

And played it...

Turn 0, 750 BC
Preflight OK

Turn 1, 730 BC
Ashur Colossus->Settler

Turn 2, 710 BC
Zzz

Turn 3, 690 BC
Zzz

Turn 4, 670 BC
Ellipi border expansion

Turn 5, 650 BC
Ashur Settler->Spearman
Akkad Spearman->Library

Turn 6, 630 BC
zzz

Turn 7, 610 BC
Barbarian warrior appears near Uruk

Turn 8, 590 BC
Ashur Spearman->Spearman

Turn 9, 570 BC
Eridu founded, starts Spearman
Spear vs Barb, at Uruk, wins

Turn 10, 550 BC
Zzz
We're up to 450 gold. Lots of wonders due in a little over 50 turns, hope they all last that long. Some population growth will shorten them.

 

[dl123654]

got it

 

[dl123654]

Save

Summary:
Mayans (dark blue) showed up in the south
All cities now have a temple and have or are working on a lib
Two settlers are due next turn
Oracle in 30
Pymarids in 36
GLib in 45

What we need:
More cities, current 100k victory date is ~3000AD, with each bit of culture that will go down.

Don't be afraid to agressivly settle for space i.e. right on the French boarder, if its in our territory it is fair game

 

[demonpoet]

Sorry guys, but I'm going to have to resign from this game.