Does Race exist?

[red_elk]

...we like to feel intrinsically superior

We like to feel intrinsically superior to those goddamn racist bigots.

 

[sophie]

This guy is being somewhat sarcastic and also missing the gigantic point that there aren't ideologies looking to exterminate geni (genuses?), orders, or phyla.

genera.

same declensional paradigm as opus->opera, corpus->corpora, and tempus->tempora

 

[Kyriakos]

Exactly my point Kyriakos, my question was rhetoric. Our tribal instinct fools us, we want to be proud and feel connected to something that totally unrelated to us (the past glory and all that BS, when we not even a sperm when all of that happened), and we like to feel intrinsically superior or in some case inferior than other.

Ok, but (even so! ) some are more tied than others ^_^

I wouldn't be surprised if 1/3 of turks actually are greek, though.

In the end it doesn't matter; some western european (or chinese etc) who knows more about x culture is imo more tied to it than one who just was born there. Iirc one of the "national writers" of Japan is greek/irish (Lefkadio Hearn).

 

[Hygro]

It gets confusing when you realize that some people prefer to think in terms of a sledge and others a bottle jack in this task of relative position.

Low hanging fruit and I was hungry.

Literally, posted that in line buying my lunch.

 

[H4run]

Ok, but (even so! ) some are more tied than others ^_^

I wouldn't be surprised if 1/3 of turks actually are greek, though.

Actually for me that doesn't even matter, in this case we used that to negate the concept of Turkic race, we can even used that to negate other type of race, this is even truer and more obvious with how in our time space are shrinking, people travel from one nation to another, stay and move again, such concept was obsolete to begin with and with the recent globalization phenomenon this concept becomes rotten. I'm a SEA who married Turkish-Caucasus lady, even my wife don't consider herself to be in particular race, lol even I have a very confusing appearance, some said I look Chinese, some said Arab, even some Turk think I look Greek, but actually I look simply human.

 

[Hygro]

Has it been pointed out that Modern Science has discredited race biology? It's been thrown in the bin with other pseudoscientific claims like IQ tests, Astrology, and Phrenology.

Hey man you leave astrology out of this.

 

[jarred!]

The position of Jupiter tells me Western Europeans have a higher IQ than West Africans.

 

[rah]

After 12 pages, in the US, race only exists if you're white.

 

[H4run]

Hey man you leave astrology out of this.

Maybe you mistaken it with Astronomy Hygro

 

[Lexicus]

After 12 pages, in the US, race only exists if you're white.

Kinda funny how that works, innit?

 

[Hygro]

Maybe you mistaken it with Astronomy Hygro

Don't make me go retrograde on your ass!

 

[Archon_Wing]

Actually it only exists if you're not white.

Hyphenated American ftl.

 

[jarred!]

He meant the only people still trying to hold onto the idea that race exists are the 'whites.'

 

[Lexicus]

(Most) non-white people know racism is real. Aside from a few people who can be safely dismissed as marginal crackpots, it's pretty much all white people who think race is real. And of course it's pretty much only whites who feel like the humanity of non-whites is something to be debated politely over cocktails...

 

[Archon_Wing]

He meant the only people still trying to hold onto the idea that race exists are the 'whites.'

Yea but there's a difference. The majority race decides on whether they want this to be a thing or not. Minorities are forced into it whether they like it or not.

If you are of the majority race (white in America), you can simply not be racist. See, most people can just log off and out of these discussions and it's simply not an issue in their lives in most cases. Minorities don't have that choice, unless they go hide under a rock. I have the fortune of living in a very ethnically diverse place so it's much less of an issue. But it's still there; every form I take has to make me associate with literally billions of people I have no connection with; many more can't tell I was born here at first glance. Outside of that, I'm simply not an American first, I'm an X first, in X-American.

That's what privilege is actually about. We are defined by hyphens, simply because we don't exist otherwise in the context to the problem. And even within that, not all racism is the same; I certainly don't know of the experience of being instantly branded a criminal by stereotype. The fact that people think slavery and segregation is (mostly) over magically fixes everything is hilarious, like 2 centuries of trying to eradicate a people and their culture can just be waved away? The country has literally spent most of its existence trying to destroy their family structure.... and I believe they still are.

So yea, race is a thing. It's awful and people that try to downplay it like something else are bad and should feel bad. How many more genocides does it take for them to realize it? Well, never mind; they're the ones that are supporting genocide in the first place.

 

[brennan]

...missing the gigantic point that there aren't ideologies looking to exterminate geni (genuses?), orders, or phyla.

Another tacit admission that the problem with the term isn't how useful a category or well defined it is, but merely the baggage it comes with.

(Most) non-white people know racism is real. Aside from a few people who can be safely dismissed as marginal crackpots, it's pretty much all white people who think race is real. And of course it's pretty much only whites who feel like the humanity of non-whites is something to be debated politely over cocktails...

Using skin colour to determine race: check. Using a specific race as a derogatory category: check.

 

[jarred!]

So yea, race is a thing. It's awful and people that try to downplay it like something else are bad and should feel bad.

Just because 'white' people think they're better or different than whatever they label you as doesn't mean 'race' is real.

Another tacit admission that the problem with the term isn't how useful a category or well defined it is, but merely the baggage it comes with.

Catching someone make an appeal to emotion doesn't mean you've proven different races of human exist.

 

[Archon_Wing]

Just because 'white' people think they're better or different than whatever they label you as doesn't mean 'race' is real.

It's not just a matter of what they think. It's also what they do.

It may be a fantasy, but the problem comes when they RP too hard in real life and force everyone to join. To everyone that suffers, that is very real.

 

[jarred!]

The pain you've felt is real, and people who role-play as their perceived race are a problem. None of this changes the fact that they are the same as you.

 

[Archon_Wing]

The pain you've felt is real, and people who role-play as their perceived race are a problem. None of this changes the fact that they are the same as you.

It still exists as an idea, or as a social construct. The actual truth of it isn't relevant to anything I'm saying. Astrology is fake too; but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.