Drawing a little... again!

[Gelion]

I love arty pretentiousness

I hope you are not referring to your avatar

When it's about art and passion, some of you guys can take any crap that is handed to you by society, can't you?

Sounds like you're defening a point I can agree to. Like with religion or science a new creation needs time to get acceptance. Some can take anything, some only what is good for them or for the society. Generally, the more educated or wiser a person is, the more carefully he judges what is offered.

 

[aelf]

I hope you are not referring to your avatar

It would be a strange day when liking a computer game is considered being pretentious...

Sounds like you're defening a point I can agree to. Like with religion or science a new creation needs time to get acceptance. Some can take anything, some only what is good for them or for the society. Generally, the more educated or wiser a person is, the more carefully he judges what is offered.

Different wavelengths, my friend, different wavelengths.

The crap isn't about the art. The crap is the miserable existence trying to eke out a living from your passion so that perhaps some idiot businessman would hang your artwork in his dining room to show how cultured he is that he bought it for a certain (large?) sum of money.

That's why I like the title of this thread. "Drawing a little... again". What it conveys to me is a sense that one does it at the side out of one's love for it, and that one revisits it as one revisits a lover who has been missed. "There is no art and no artist, only money and jobs" is something that is true in our society. That's why I believe that the real place for the artist is underground, so to speak, doing it as an 'amateur'. The 'real' world is just too absurd for art.

But do check out my contribution on page 35. I wanna be an aartiiiiiiist!!!

 

[Gelion]

Different wavelengths, my friend, different wavelengths.

Working on my radar comrade, working.

The crap isn't about the art. The crap is the miserable existence trying to eke out a living from your passion so that perhaps some idiot businessman would hang your artwork in his dining room to show how cultured he is that he bought it for a certain (large?) sum of money.

Then the problem is money and education, not the art itself. It exists since a long time ago.

That's why I like the title of this thread. "Drawing a little... again". What it conveys to me is a sense that one does it at the side out of one's love for it, and that one revisits it as one revisits a lover who has been missed. "There is no art and no artist, only money and jobs" is something that is true in our society. That's why I believe that the real place for the artist is underground, so to speak, doing it as an 'amateur'. The 'real' world is just too absurd for art.

Yes and no. In the world you need not only the power (talent), but certain "usefulness" to be an artist (poet, writer, whomever) to succeed in your field. It is called the reality of life with all its good and bad, an integral part of life if you will. "Real art" is the art not limited by the harsh reality and it is there that I agree with you. Still sometimes, if you are lucky or strong enough "real art" and "business art" meet. Have you read Martin Eden by Jack London?

But do check out my contribution on page 35. I wanna be an aartiiiiiiist!!!

I will as soon as I post this.

 

[aelf]

Yes and no. In the world you need not only the power (talent), but certain "usefulness" to be an artist (poet, writer, whomever) to succeed in your field.

This reminds me of a quote about art. I think it was by Oscar Wilde.

But, yes, you get my point. And the metric of usefulness is monetary value.

Still sometimes, if you are lucky or strong enough "real art" and "business art" meet. Have you read Martin Eden by Jack London?

Yeah, it does happen. But the amount of crap people are generally expected to put up with for their love of something is just disproportionately disturbing. Sometimes one wonders whether the passion rhetoric is not actually used against you.

 

[Kyriakos]

Reality itself disproves your reasoning, that in order to be an artist you have to be "usefull". There are many artists who were completely or nearly completely unknown during their life, but now are considered to be part of the elite. Kafka and Lovecraft are two examples, almost no one knew about them or read them.

Of course it is ideal if one is successfull during his lifetime. But again reality disproves your point, since there are amazingly successfull writers, like Stephen King, who in reality are not good at all, and i bet no one will remember them in 100 years. The same thing happened again and again in the past, since time has a way of fixing such errors

 

[aelf]

Reality itself disproves your reasoning, that in order to be an artist you have to be "usefull". There are many artists who were completely or nearly completely unknown during their life, but now are considered to be part of the elite. Kafka and Lovecraft are two examples, almost no one knew about them or read them.

Of course it is ideal if one is successfull during his lifetime. But again reality disproves your point, since there are amazingly successfull writers, like Stephen King, who in reality are not good at all, and i bet no one will remember them in 100 years. The same thing happened again and again in the past, since time has a way of fixing such errors

What good does it really do you if you become regarded as useful only after you're dead?

I'm just questioning the worthiness of the trade off between one's love for art and the condition of one's existence, not the idea that your art could be considered useful at some point. And I'm certainly not saying that you can't be an artist in the 'amateur' sense of the word.

 

[Kyriakos]

They have been completed:

 

[Steph]

It's really a shame we can't have more than 5 culture groups...

Well, in my own game, I will make each civilization use independant city graphics!

 

[Takhisis]

Varwnos=thread hijacker

Of course it is ideal if one is successfull during his lifetime.

Still trying to convince us to buy your book, huh? As soon as I learn Greek or smeone translates it -whichever one happens first- I sure will.

 

[Kyriakos]

3d graphic design has a long history in this thread, it is not threadjacking.

 

[Takhisis]

Did you notice the sign?

 

[Kyriakos]

I started creating a Despotate of Epirus/Empire of Thessalonike set:

It would serve as the antagonist to the empire of Nicaea, or as a second southern orthodox medieval set

 

[Kyriakos]

The Hagia Eirene (one of the great buildings in size #2) is completed

 

[Takhisis]

I must to my Liege lord, Varwnos the brycemaster.

 

[Kyriakos]

The second special buidling has been also completed:

 

[Takhisis]

Methinks that it could be a centerpiece on its own.

 

[Kyriakos]

The Hagia Sophia is the centerpiece, and it has been completed

 

[Kyriakos]

And...they are finished

 

[Huayna Capac357]

so...AWESOME

 

[gangleri2001]

Wow! FredLC has been drawing a little again for six years.