maartena
Warlord
Good work on the modpack. I haven't tried it yet, but I will try it tonight or so....
As for the special unit: The Dutch were known for their trading abilities in their Golden Age in the 17th and early 18th century.
Although the Dutch have won various sea battles against the English and Spanish, and this is a very important part of Dutch history, their true power lies in their trade, hence the VOC was founded.
They were also skilled sailors, and were able to reach places all around the world.
I think the Dutch special unit should be a VOC Galleon, that has one extra move, and one extra space. No military capabilities. The reason the Dutch won the battles against the English and the Spanish were not so much because the had better ships, but briljant leaders or admirals. The Dutch were outnumbered in some of the historical seabattles, and skilled manouvres was what saved them.
A frigate/galleon like ship would need to face their cannons in the direction of the enemy before the enemy could face their cannons to you, and since the cannons are on the side, it takes skilled sailors to be able to evade, attack, and retreat tactfully. The ships themselves were just as good as their british, french, or spanish counterparts. Therefore the one extra move would be the best way to show this in Civ 3.
As I don't think trading can be manipulated in Civ3, perhaps the one extra space would be the best. The Dutch were known to get the best trades, and in the 17th century Amsterdam was one of the largest trading centres of Europe, where spices & silk from the far east, coffee and cacao from the America's and all sorts of products were traded.
Also, i think that Bronze Working and Alphabet as their starting technologies is not accurate. Very handy, but not accurate. The Dutch were nothing more then a bunch of savages when the Roman Empire conquered most of the country. (The rest was swamp anyways and worth nothing).
I think one of the starting techs should be Ceremonial Burial. This because the "Hunebeds" (dunno the english word) in Drenthe were ceremonial burial grounds that are thousands of years old, and they are still not quite sure how they were able to build them. They are a important part of the very beginning of Dutch History.
The other technology i don't really know. Bronze Working doesn't seem accurate to me. Perhaps either Masonry or The Alphabet, but any technology could be twisted. Warrior Code perhaps? They did fight the romans at one point or another.
My 2 eurocents
Maarten
An Edit:
Looking over the other special units, I see that all of em have a military funtion. It would only be fair that the Dutch also get a military unit. I would vote for a Naval Unit in this case. Perhaps earlier suggestions of a Man-O-War type unit would be the best.
The Man-O-War has a better attack then the normal Frigate. Since the Dutch were usually outnumbered in attacks but still managed to be victorious, perhaps the Dutch Frigate would be a better DEFENSE then the normal Frigate.
Either way, I agree that the special unit of the Dutch should be a Naval vessel from the 17th/18th century period.
Second, I think the best starting abilities are reflected by Commercial and Religious. (Which means the starting techs would be Alphabet and Ceremonial Burial). Commercial because of the trade the Dutch mastered in during the ages. Religious, because of ancient bureal grounds, the Religious Uprising in the 16th Century, and the one of the major Protestant Religion still being practiced today was founded by Maarten Luther, a Dutchman. The Lutherian Church is still active around the world, and still very dominant in area's settled by the Dutch in the New World during the 16th and 17th century.
Further, I would harldy call Spinoza a great leader, replace him with Peter Stuyvesant
Another cent, perhaps I'll add more if i think of it.
As for the special unit: The Dutch were known for their trading abilities in their Golden Age in the 17th and early 18th century.
Although the Dutch have won various sea battles against the English and Spanish, and this is a very important part of Dutch history, their true power lies in their trade, hence the VOC was founded.
They were also skilled sailors, and were able to reach places all around the world.
I think the Dutch special unit should be a VOC Galleon, that has one extra move, and one extra space. No military capabilities. The reason the Dutch won the battles against the English and the Spanish were not so much because the had better ships, but briljant leaders or admirals. The Dutch were outnumbered in some of the historical seabattles, and skilled manouvres was what saved them.
A frigate/galleon like ship would need to face their cannons in the direction of the enemy before the enemy could face their cannons to you, and since the cannons are on the side, it takes skilled sailors to be able to evade, attack, and retreat tactfully. The ships themselves were just as good as their british, french, or spanish counterparts. Therefore the one extra move would be the best way to show this in Civ 3.
As I don't think trading can be manipulated in Civ3, perhaps the one extra space would be the best. The Dutch were known to get the best trades, and in the 17th century Amsterdam was one of the largest trading centres of Europe, where spices & silk from the far east, coffee and cacao from the America's and all sorts of products were traded.
Also, i think that Bronze Working and Alphabet as their starting technologies is not accurate. Very handy, but not accurate. The Dutch were nothing more then a bunch of savages when the Roman Empire conquered most of the country. (The rest was swamp anyways and worth nothing).
I think one of the starting techs should be Ceremonial Burial. This because the "Hunebeds" (dunno the english word) in Drenthe were ceremonial burial grounds that are thousands of years old, and they are still not quite sure how they were able to build them. They are a important part of the very beginning of Dutch History.
The other technology i don't really know. Bronze Working doesn't seem accurate to me. Perhaps either Masonry or The Alphabet, but any technology could be twisted. Warrior Code perhaps? They did fight the romans at one point or another.
My 2 eurocents
Maarten
An Edit:
Looking over the other special units, I see that all of em have a military funtion. It would only be fair that the Dutch also get a military unit. I would vote for a Naval Unit in this case. Perhaps earlier suggestions of a Man-O-War type unit would be the best.
The Man-O-War has a better attack then the normal Frigate. Since the Dutch were usually outnumbered in attacks but still managed to be victorious, perhaps the Dutch Frigate would be a better DEFENSE then the normal Frigate.
Either way, I agree that the special unit of the Dutch should be a Naval vessel from the 17th/18th century period.
Second, I think the best starting abilities are reflected by Commercial and Religious. (Which means the starting techs would be Alphabet and Ceremonial Burial). Commercial because of the trade the Dutch mastered in during the ages. Religious, because of ancient bureal grounds, the Religious Uprising in the 16th Century, and the one of the major Protestant Religion still being practiced today was founded by Maarten Luther, a Dutchman. The Lutherian Church is still active around the world, and still very dominant in area's settled by the Dutch in the New World during the 16th and 17th century.
Further, I would harldy call Spinoza a great leader, replace him with Peter Stuyvesant
Another cent, perhaps I'll add more if i think of it.
