Dutch

[MaximusK]

Holland could make a better choice too.

I grew up in Holland, MI, graduated from Holland High. We were the Holland High Dutch and Woody the Wooden Shoe was our mascot. The school is now probably more Hispanic than Dutch.

 

[apocalypse105]

I grew up in Holland, MI, graduated from Holland High. We were the Holland High Dutch and Woody the Wooden Shoe was our mascot. The school is now probably more Hispanic than Dutch.

Not to mention with football holland holland

 

[Louis XXIV]

That is the title of the country, not it's proper name (every country's name is composed of a title and a proper name, like "United States" and "America", respectively), which makes "Netherlands" be more suitable than "United Provinces", and this is specially so considering there has been a long time now that the Netherlands haven't been "United Provinces", but a kingdom.

The United Provinces was its common name right after independence from Spain (although anandus might have its more official name). I wasn't seriously suggesting it. I more wanted to throw out more names to show that this doesn't really matter all that much.

 

[shaglio]

Although around the time of his death (1584) they were calling themselves the 'Republic of the Seven United Netherlands'

Hmm, that seems a tad bit too wordy. Maybe they could shorten it to RotSUN.

Seriously though, I think Holland or Netherlands is fine with me. I don't care for The Dutch since using the adjectival name is avoidable. And you don't really need the article "The" in front of Netherlands to know which country is being refered to. It's not like there's more the one Netherlands that is so world renowned.

 

[anandus]

And you don't really need the article "The" in front of Netherlands to know which country is being refered to. It's not like there's more the one Netherlands that is so world renowned.

Netherlands without 'the' sounds weird.
The article is in front of it because it's plural, just like you say 'the United States' instead of just 'United States'.

 

[donald23]

'The' in front of The Netherlands is actually simply part of the official name... So I would be surprised if they call it just Netherlands...

 

[Androrc the Orc]

Netherlands without 'the' sounds weird.
The article is in front of it because it's plural, just like you say 'the United States' instead of just 'United States'.

Yes, but in the civ selection screen it would probably be "United States" rather than "The United States".

 

[turingmachine]

Yes but the civ selection screen already uses The Inca, The Aztec, The Iroquois, and The Ottomans. What's the problem with it also using The Netherlands?

 

[anandus]

Yes, but in the civ selection screen it would probably be "United States" rather than "The United States".

In civ selection it would be America (which is also a bit of a strange choice)
And come to think of it, they'd probably use 'the US', but who knows.

 

[Androrc the Orc]

Yes but the civ selection screen already uses The Inca, The Aztec, The Iroquois, and The Ottomans. What's the problem with it also using The Netherlands?

"The Inca", "The Aztec", "The Iroquois" and "The Ottomans" is ugly, and having a "The Netherlands" would only add to the ugliness. The article should be used within text when the country is mentioned, but not in the country's listing itself.

 

[cuc]

The current reports about the Dutch are confusing. This article implies that polders produce tulip, which is a resource that can be traded. That would require a new rule about improvements producing resources, and I'm not convinced about that.

It's also been reported more than once that the Dutch UU is Privateer which can be used to pillage cities for gold. Except that apparently pillaging and capturing cities is a function shared by most melee naval units. It also seems very unlikely for the Privateer to be the Dutch UU.

Personally I think the Dutch UU would still be a land unit, otherwise the Dutch would lose too much of their unique advantage if they are landlocked and without marshes nearby.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

"Netherlands
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands

Wikipedia says just Netherlands

 

[Montov]

The current reports about the Dutch are confusing. This article implies that polders produce tulip, which is a resource that can be traded. That would require a new rule about improvements producing resources, and I'm not convinced about that.

It's also been reported more than once that the Dutch UU is Privateer which can be used to pillage cities for gold. Except that apparently pillaging and capturing cities is a function shared by most melee naval units. It also seems very unlikely for the Privateer to be the Dutch UU.

Personally I think the Dutch UU would still be a land unit, otherwise the Dutch would lose too much of their unique advantage if they are landlocked and without marshes nearby.

Yeah, just an improved farm for marshes would be underwhelming. It could only work if it gave you a new Tulip-resource. Which is not completely unlikely, as mercentile CS do give unique luxuries. I'm not sure if these unique luxuries provide happiness or not, or only when you trade it to someone else...

The screenshot shows such a polder on plains, which leave the possibility open it just requires water nearby, so it would be more common and provide maybe 1 or 2 gold extra.

 

[cuc]

That polder on plains appear to be a World Editor modification, and can't be taken as fact. The 2 screenshots are taken on the same turn.

 

[Optional]

It's also been reported more than once that the Dutch UU is Privateer which can be used to pillage cities for gold. Except that apparently pillaging and capturing cities is a function shared by most melee naval units. It also seems very unlikely for the Privateer to be the Dutch UU.

Maybe a Dutch pirate ship will just get more gains out of it, like the Songhai get more gains from barb camps.
What surprises me is that not everybody immediately shouted 'Flying Dutchman' when the news first came about a Dutch pirate ship. That wouldn't be such a stretch of the imagination, I thought.

On a different note, the funniest mixup Firaxis ever made was in Civ III, where they went with Jan de Witt as the leader, but called him William of Orange.
Since William of Orange was a monarch and Jan de Witt an anti-monarchist they would probably not have appreciated this.
But with a many leaders in Civ, especially in Civ 4, you can't even see who they attempted to portray, which is worse, I think. I rather see civs and leaders who at least remind of something.

 

[cuc]

The "William" leaderhead in Civ3? That's William III of Glorious Revolution. His face is narrower than Jan de Witt, and he is wearing plate armor, just like William III in his famous portrait.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Yeah, I think they went with the William that became King of England. Although I'll admit that he looks like he could be either person.