Dynamic Civ Names

[DC123456789]

By the way, I'd recommend that Byzantine as a vassal of Arabia should always be Emirate of Rumiyah regardless of what it controls (i.e. ditch the Emirate of Constantinople name), and similarly for Eyalet of Rumelia for vassal of Ottomans. Rumiyah/Rumelia comes from "Rome", which really is the entire identity of the Byzantine Empire and also has heavy connotations of Constantinople in of itself.

 

[DC123456789]

Also, some suggestions for Burgundy:

Vassal of Byzantium: Exarchate of Burgundia
Vassal of France: Duchy of Bourgogne (Maybe? The "French" part sounds superfluous)
Vassal of Aragon: County of Provence

Vassal of Germany, More than 4(?) cities: Kingdom of Arles
Vassal of Germany: Free County of Burgundy
Or alternatively:
Vassal of Germany, After 1512: Burgundian Circle
Vassal of Germany: Kingdom of Arles
Vassal of Austria: Free County of Burgundy

Larger than 4 (maybe higher, to show the historical difficulty in trying to be recognized as a kingdom?) cities and after 925: Kingdom of Burgundy
After 925: Duchy of Burgundy
After 855: Kingdom of Lotharinigia (Could be removed, I'm not totally sure how accurate this would really be, since this part of Burugndian history was really messy)
Default Name: Kingdom of Middle Francia

Also, maybe "Jarldom of X" could be used as the generic Norwegian/Danish/Swedish vassal title? I think it's better than just "Norse X".
In following this, Burgundy as vassal of one of the Norse kingdoms could be "Jarldom of Burgundaholmr" or something like that.

 

[DC123456789]

Also, one minor suggestion: for France after 843 AD, "Kingdom of West Francia" rather than just "West Francia". It fits better with the rest of the names.

 

[AbsintheRed]

The 4 civs on the previous page were updated with the latest suggestions
Here are some more civs, up for debate. My current tables:
(already included some recent suggestions, but I still don't like some of the names)

Cordoba:

Vassal of Byzantium: Exarchate of Andalusia
Vassal of France: Duchy of Andalusia
Vassal of Arabia/Morocco: Emirate of Cordoba
Vassal of Spain/Aragon/Portugal, Islam state religion: Emirate of Granada
Vassal of Spain/Aragon/Portugal: Kingdom of Granada
Vassal of Denmark/Norway/Sweden: Jarldom of Andalusia
Vassal of Venice: Colony of Andalusia
Vassal of Novgorod/Kiev: Principality of Andalusia
Vassal of Russia: Guberniya of Andalusia
Vassal of Germany/Prussia: March of Andalusia
Vassal of England/Scotland: Protectorate of Andalusia
Vassal of Austria: Habsburg Andalusia
Vassal of Ottomans: Eyalet of Endulus
Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of Andalusia

Under Merchant Republic with Islam: Taifa of Cordoba
Under Merchant Republic: Andalusian Republic
Islam State Religion after 1238: Sultanate of Al-Andalus
Islam State Religion after 929: Caliphate of Cordoba
Islam State Religion: Emirate of Cordoba
Christian state religion: Kingdom of Andalusia
Default name (if nothing else is true from the ones above): Duchy of Andalusia

Tunisia: (Cordoba respawned)

Vassal of Byzantium: Exarchate of Tunisia
Vassal of France: Duchy of Tunisia
Vassal of Arabia/Morocco: Emirate of Tunisia
Vassal of Spain/Aragon/Portugal, Islam state religion: Emirate of Oran
Vassal of Spain/Aragon/Portugal: Kingdom of Oran
Vassal of Norway/Denmark/Sweden: Jarldom of Tunisia
Vassal of Venice: Colony of Tunisia
Vassal of Novgorod/Kiev: Principality of Tunisia
Vassal of Russia: Guberniya of Tunisia
Vassal of Germany/Prussia: March of Tunisia
Vassal of England/Scotland: Protectorate of Tunisia
Vassal of Austria: Habsburg Tunisia
Vassal of Ottomans: Eyalet of Tunisia
Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of Tunisia

Merchant Republic + Islam: Taifa of Tunisia
Merchant Republic: Republic of Tunisia
Catholic/Orthodox/Protestant: Hafsid Kingdom
Islam: Hafsid Caliphate
Default name (if nothing else is true from the ones above): Duchy of Tunisia

Morocco:

Vassal of Byzantium: Exarchate of Mauretania
Vassal of France: Duchy of Morocco
Vassal of Arabia/Cordoba: Emirate of Morocco
Vassal of Spain/Aragon: Viceroyalty of Morocco
Vassal of Denmark/Norway/Sweden: Maghreb Jarldom
Vassal of Venice: Colony of Morocco
Vassal of Novgorod/Kiev: Principality of Morocco
Vassal of Russia: Guberniya of Morocco
Vassal of Germany/Prussia: Maghreb March
Vassal of England/Scotland: Protectorate of Morocco
Vassal of Austria: Habsburg Maghreb
Vassal of Ottomans: Eyalet of Morocco
Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of Morocco

Under Merchant Republic with Islam: Taifa of Morocco
Under Merchant Republic: Moroccan Republic
With Christian State Religion: Kingdom of Mauretania
After 1659 (turn 380): Alaouite Empire
After 1554 (turn 327): Saadi Empire
After 1472 (turn 291): Wattasid Empire
After 1269 (turn 223): Marinid Empire
After 1147 (turn 183): Almohad Empire
Default name (if nothing else is true from the ones above): Almoravid Empire

Burgundy:

Vassal of Byzantium: Exarchate of Burgundia
Vassal of France: Duchy of Bourgogne
Vassal of Arabia/Cordoba/Morocco: Emirate of Burgundy
Vassal of Spain: Viceroyalty of Burgundy
Vassal of Aragon: County of Provence
Vassal of Denmark/Norway/Sweden: Jarldom of Burgundaholmr
Vassal of Venice: Colony of Burgundy
Vassal of Novgorod/Kiev: Principality of Burgundy
Vassal of Russia: Guberniya of Burgundy
Vassal of Germany/Prussia, after 1512: Burgundian Circle
Vassal of Germany/Prussia, holding Provence: Kingdom of Arles
Vassal of Germany/Prussia: Duchy of Lothringen
Vassal of England/Scotland: County of Burgundy
Vassal of Austria: Free County of Burgundy
Vassal of Ottomans: Eyalet of Burgonya
Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of Burgundy

Under Merchant Republic with Islam: Islamic Republic of Burgundy
Under Merchant Republic: Burgundian Republic
Islam State Religion: Sultanate of Burgundy
With at least 3 unstable provinces: Burgundian Empire
With at least 6 unstable or ok provinces: Burgundian Empire
With at least 4 provinces, after 925: Kingdom of Burgundy
After 925: Duchy of Burgundy
Default name (if nothing else is true from the ones above): Kingdom of Middle Francia

 

[DC123456789]

Morocco with Christian State Religion: Kingdom of Mauretania

 

[SanJose]

Civic Combo/Other:

Spoiler :

• Novgorod Slavs or Ilmen Slavs(with Paganism+Tribal Law etc)
• Novgorod Republic(with Merchant Republic+Guilds)
• Pskov Republic(if lose Novgorod)
• Vyatskaya Veche Republic(if lose Novgorod and Pskov)
• His Majesty (or Sovereign) Lord Novgorod the Great" (Gosudař Gospodin Velikij Novgorod), or more often as "Lord Novgorod the Great" (Gospodin Velikij Novgorod)(as city-state, not historically accurate)

Master of the(name for vassal)

Spoiler :

• Prussians: Freie Stadt of Riga or Kenigsberg(if control only Riga or Kenigsberg); Archiepiscopatus Rigensis/Erzbistum Riga/Archbishopric of Riga (if Theocraty+Religious Law+Divine monarchy); The Duchy of Prussia; Teutonic Knights; Preußischer Landtag/The Prussian estates(if Const.Monarchy+Free Peasantry+Free Labor); The Prussian Confederation(with Merchant Republic+Guilds, control 2 or more city with The Hanseatic League)
• Muscovites: Nizov'e; Moscow pyatina (literally "fifth"); Principality of Muscovy
• Lithuanians: Duchy of Courland and Semigallia(if capital on Baltic coast); Principality of Minsk/Polotsk/Wilno(by name of capital); Black Ruthenia or Black Rus'; also possible Žemaitija, Aukštaitija, Lithuania Minor(if contol Prussia), Dzūkija, Suvalkija
• Kievans: Kiev volost'

Vassal of the

Spoiler :

• Bulgarians: Volkhov župa (or zhupa, županija); Novgorod Comitatus
• Prussians: Novgorodian Ballei
• Polish: Novgorod województwo("voivodeship")
• Muscovites: Zavolochye or Dvina land(if lose Novgorod and control NE part of map), Novgorod Land
• Lithuanians: Novgorod województwo("voivodeship"),
• Kievans: Volkhovskaya Rus', Privolhov'e
• Byzantines: Outside Rus'
• Danish/Norwegians: before the 13th century Garðaríki (anglicized Gardariki or Gardarike) or Garðaveldi; Holmsgardr or Holmgarðr (if control only Novgorod); Bjarmaland also spelled Bjarmland and Bjarmia(if control NE part of map, but lose Novgorod), after used Swedish name
• Swedish: Swedish Ingermanland/Ingria or simple Ingermanland/Ingria; Izhora(Izhera); Kexholms län, County of Viborg, Kexholm County (if lose Novgorod and control Karelia);
• Arabs, Cordoba, Moroccans: Slawiya, as-Slawiya;

 

[DC123456789]

Minor suggestion for Burgundy as vassal of Germany/Prussia: Duchy of Lothringen (as opposed to just "Lothringen").

Also, some suggestions for Norse vassals:
Arabia as vassal of Denmark/Norway/Sweden: Jarldom of Særkland/Serkland
England as vassal of Norway (and maybe Sweden?): Kingdom/Jarldom of Jórvík
Novgorod as vassal of Denmark/Norway/Sweden, larger than 3/4 provinces (?): Jarldom of Garðaríki
Novgorod as vassal of Denmark/Norway/Sweden: Jarldom of Holmgarðr
Kiev as vassal of Denmark/Norway/Sweden: Jarldom of Kœnugarðr (or Varangian Jarldom of Kœnugarðr, if you want to keep that)

Also, could Holy Roman Empire be added as a German DCN, perhaps after the Germans get large enough? It really does seem kind of strange to not have the HRE explicitly appear in the mod.

 

[AbsintheRed]

Sure, I plan to continue the DCN updates
First let's finish Iberia (Portugal, Spain, Aragon), than we can move on to Scandinavia (Denmark, Sweden, Norway) or to Russia (Novgorod, Kiev, Muscovy), as there were already some suggestions for these.

 

[DC123456789]

I'd be happy to give some suggestions, if you post a chart/list of the current names (the file is kind of hard to read).

 

[gilgames]

Spanish Netherlands sound awful, tho I have no idea, but I feel there must be something better.

 

[The Southerner]

Spanish Netherlands sound awful, tho I have no idea, but I feel there must be something better.

That's what the "state" was actually called - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Netherlands.

 

[DC123456789]

Seventeen Provinces could work for Spain, but there really isn't any alternative for Habsburg Netherlands or Burgundian Netherlands.

 

[DC123456789]

Perhaps Aragon as vassal of France should just be "Spanish March", not "Marca Hispanica"? The style really clashes with the other DCNs, and it's not even French (rather the Spanish/Catalan/Aragonese name).

Also, perhaps the generic name for English vassals should be "Earldom of X", and for Scotland "Mormaerdom of X"? They mean the exact same thing as county in the medieval sense (the current name) but are more flavourful (and were the actual titles used in those kingdoms).

 

[Panopticon]

I'm quite sure that early English earls' real properties are called either shires or counties, but never earldoms.

 

[DC123456789]

Shires/counties are the administrative divisions (of which only shire was used in the time period), earldoms are the titles themselves that may or may not be connected to the shires.

 

[SanJose]

Kievan Rus'
Civic Combo/Other:

Spoiler :

The Polans/The Drevlians with Despotism Tribalism Paganism
Kingdom of Rus if Catholic
The Principality/Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia if capital moved to west(or name for early respawn in 1199AD)
Kiev Metropolia(as theocratic state)

Vassal of the

Spoiler :

Muscovites: The Cossack Hetmanate(Zaporizhian Host);Government of Malorossiya;Collegium of Little Russia; Novorossiya; Levoberezhnaya Ukraina(Left-bank Ukraine, without Kiev)
Hungary: Rex Galiciae et Lodomeriae
Poland: Red Ruthenia, Red Rus or Red Russia; Cherven Cities; Ruthenian Voivodeship; Dikoe Pole (Wild Fields); Prawobrzeżna Ukraina(Right-bank Ukraine)
Lithuanian: Dykra or polish names
Ottomans: Yedisan; The Danubian Sich (not correct); Podolya Eyaleti, Kamaniçe Eyaleti; The Cossack Hetmanate
BE: Μικρὰ Ῥωσ(&#963ία
Germany: Kleinrussland; Russia/Ruthenia minor

 

[AbsintheRed]

@SanJose
Can you put together a suggestion in a more uniformized form for the russian states?
Something like all the other civs have in my previous summarizing posts.

 

[AbsintheRed]

I'd be happy to give some suggestions, if you post a chart/list of the current names (the file is kind of hard to read).

Sure, got a little busy with modding the changes for 1195, but that was my plan anyway
Will post a usual list for the Iberian civs tomorrow

 

[SanJose]

Novgorod
Vassal of Bulgarians: Volkhov župa (or zhupa, županija); Novgorod Comitatus
Vassal of Prussians: Novgorodian Ballei
Vassal of Germany: Freie Stadt of Novgorod
Vassal of Polish/Lithuanians: Novgorod województwo ["voivodeship"]
Vassal of Muscovites: Novgorod Land;
Vassal of Muscovites: Zavolochye or Dvina land [if control NE part of map, but lose Novgorod]
Vassal of Kievans: Volkhovskaya Rus', Privolhov'e
Vassal of Byzantines: Outside Rus'
Vassal of Arabs/Cordoba/Moroccans: as-Slawiya;
Vassal of Ottomans: Eyalet/pashalic of Ingria; Novgorod regency
Vassal of Danish/Norwegians: Garðaríki/Gardariki/Gardarike/Garðaveldi [before the 13th century]
Vassal of Danish/Norwegians: Holmsgardr/Holmgarðr [if control only Novgorod];
Vassal of Danish/Norwegians: Bjarmaland/Bjarmland/Bjarmia [if control NE part of map, but lose Novgorod, before the 13th century]
Vassal of Swedish: Swedish Ingermanland/Ingria or simple Ingermanland/Ingria/Izhora/Izhera;
Vassal of Swedish: Kexholms län; County of Viborg; Kexholm County [if capital in Karelia];

Under Merchant Republic: Novgorod Republic
If Islamic state: Novgorod khanate, The Karelian Muftiate
Under Paganism+Tribal Law: Ilmen Slavs
If capital moved to far east: Vyatskaya Veche Republic
If capital moved to Pskov: Pskov Republic
Empire sizes: His Majesty (or Sovereign) Lord Novgorod the Great" (Gosudař Gospodin Velikij Novgorod)/Lord Novgorod the Great
If theocratic state: Diocese of Novgorod

Kiev
Vassal of Bulgarians: Dnieper/Kiev župa/zhupa/županija; Kievan Comitatus [First Bulgarian Empire]
Vassal of Bulgarians: Kievan Despotate [Second Bulgarian Empire]
Vassal of Germany/Prussians: Kleinrussland; Russia/Ruthenia minor
Vassal of Germany: Kiew Reichskreis
Vassal of Polish/Lithuanians: Red Ruthenia/Rus'/Russia; Russia Rubra; Cherven Cities; Ruthenian Voivodeship
Vassal of Polish/Lithuanians: Jagoldai/Jaholdaj/Jahołdajewszczyzna [if Islam]
Vassal of Polish/Muscovites/Lithuanians: Dzikie pola/Dikoe Pole/Dykra (Wild Fields) [sparsely populated cities]

Vassal of Muscovites/Ottomans/Polish: The Cossack Hetmanate(Zaporizhian Host) [under Militarism + Orthodox]

Vassal of Muscovites: Levoberezhnaya Ukraina (Left-bank Ukraine) [Polish control Right-bank Ukraine]
Vassal of Polish: Prawobrzeżna Ukraina (Right-bank Ukraine) [Muscovites control Left-bank Ukraine]

Vassal of Muscovites: Novorossiya [control 4 and more provinces]
Vassal of Muscovites: Little Russian Office [1622AD-1722AD]
Vassal of Muscovites: Collegium of Little Russia [1722AD-1775AD]
Vassal of Muscovites: Kiev Viceroyalty(namestnichestvo) [after 1775AD]
Vassal of Muscovites: Government of Malorossiya [after 1796AD]

Vassal of Hungary: Kievan Comitatus [early game]
Vassal of Hungary: The Principality of Galicia–Volhynia; Kingdom of Ruthenia [mid game]
Vassal of Hungary/Austria: Rex Galiciae et Lodomeriae [late game]

Vassal of Novgorod: Kiev volost'
Vassal of Byzantines: Μικρὰ Ῥωσ(&#963ία
Vassal of France/Burgundy: la Petite Russie
Vassal of Arabs/Cordoba/Moroccans: Kuyaba/Kuyavia
Vassal of Ottomans: Yedisan; The Danubian Sich [capital in Moldova]
Vassal of Ottomans: Podolya Eyaleti, Kamaniçe Eyaleti/Eyalet-i Kamaniçe[capital in Podolia]
Vassal of Ottomans: Kiev Eyaleti [other]
Vassal of Danish/Norwegians/Swedish: Kœnugarðr

Under Despotism + Tribalism + Paganism: The Polans/The Drevlians
If Catholic: Kingdom of Rus
Capital moved to west (respawn in 1199AD): The Kingdom of Galicia–Volhynia
As Ortodox theocratic state: Mi(e)tropolia Kyiv and All Rus
As Catholic theocratic state: Ecclesia Ruthena unita/Russian Uniate Church
If Islam: Rurikids sultanate

 

[AbsintheRed]

Rest of the Iberian civs, very first draft:

Spain

Vassal of Byzantium: Exarchate of Hispania
Vassal of France/Burgundy: Duchy of Leon
Vassal of Arabia/Cordoba/Morocco: Al-Ispanya
Vassal of Aragon/Portugal: Duchy of Leon
Vassal of Norway/Denmark/Sweden, Islam state religion: Visigothic Emirate of Spain
Vassal of Norway/Denmark/Sweden: Visigothic Kingdom of Spain
Vassal of Venice: Colony of Spain
Vassal of Novgorod/Kiev: Principality of Spain
Vassal of Russia: Guberniya of Castilia
Vassal of Germany/Prussia: Spanish March
Vassal of England/Scotland: Counties of Spain
Vassal of Austria: Habsburg Spain
Vassal of Ottomans: Eyalet of Ispanya
Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of Spain

Under Merchant Republic with Islam: Islamic Republic of Spain
Under Merchant Republic: Spanish Republic
Islam State Religion: Sultanate of Spain
At least 3 unstable provinces: Spanish Empire
At least 5 ok provinces: Spanish Empire
Holding Aragon province: Kingdom of Spain
Holding Castile province: Kingdom of Castile and Leon
Default name (if nothing else is true from the ones above): Kingdom of Leon

Portugal

Vassal of Byzantium: Exarchate of Lusitania
Vassal of France/Burgundy: Duchy of Portugal
Vassal of Arabia/Cordoba/Morocco: Emirate of Portugal
Vassal of Spain/Aragon: Council of Portugal
Vassal of Norway/Denmark/Sweden, Islam state religion: Suevian Emirate of Portugal
Vassal of Norway/Denmark/Sweden: Suevian Kingdom of Portugal
Vassal of Venice: Venetian Portugal
Vassal of Novgorod/Kiev: Principality of Portugal
Vassal of Russia: Guberniya of Portugal
Vassal of Germany/Prussia: March of Portugal
Vassal of England/Scotland: County of Portugal
Vassal of Austria: Habsburg Portugal
Vassal of Ottomans: Eyalet of Portekiz
Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of Portugal

Under Merchant Republic with Islam: Portuguese Islamic Republic
Under Merchant Republic: Portuguese Republic
Islam State Religion: Sultanate of Portugal
Default name (if nothing else is true from the ones above): Kingdom of Portugal

Aragon:

Vassal of Byzantium: Exarchate of Tarraconensis
Vassal of France/Burgundy: Marca Hispanica/Hispanic March
Vassal of Arabia/Cordoba/Morocco: Catalunya
Vassal of Spain/Portugal: Duchy of Barcelona
Vassal of Norway/Denmark/Sweden, Islam state religion: Visigothic Emirate of Aragon
Vassal of Norway/Denmark/Sweden: Visigothic Kingdom of Aragon
Vassal of Venice: Colony of Aragon
Vassal of Novgorod/Kiev: Principality of Aragon
Vassal of Russia: Guberniya of Aragon
Vassal of Germany/Prussia: March of Aragon
Vassal of England/Scotland: Counties of Aragon
Vassal of Austria: Habsburg Aragon
Vassal of Ottomans: Eyalet of Catalunya
Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of Aragon

Under Merchant Republic with Islam: Aragonese Islamic Commonwealth
Under Merchant Republic: Aragonese Commonwealth
Islam State Religion: Sultanate of Aragon
At least 5 at least historic provinces: Crown of Aragon
Default name (if nothing else is true from the ones above): Kingdom of Aragon

Sicily (respawn of Aragon):

Vassal of Byzantium: Kingdom of Sicily
Vassal of France/Burgundy: Duchy of Sicily
Vassal of Arabia/Cordoba/Morocco: Emirate of Sicily
Vassal of Spain/Aragon/Portugal: Council of Sicily
Vassal of Norway/Denmark/Sweden: Jarldom of Sicily
Vassal of Venice: Colony of Sicily
Vassal of Novgorod/Kiev: Principality of Sicily
Vassal of Russia: Guberniya of Sicily
Vassal of Germany/Prussia: March of Sicily
Vassal of England/Scotland: County of Sicily
Vassal of Austria: Habsburg Sicily
Vassal of Ottomans: Eyalet of Sicily
Generic Vassal (all the other civs): Province of Sicily

Under Merchant Republic with Islam: Sicilian Islamic Republic
Under Merchant Republic: Sicilian Republic
Islam State Religion: Sultanate of Sicily
Default name (if nothing else is true from the ones above): Kingdom of Sicily