E3: Firaxis Announced 2nd Civ3 Expansion!

[ltccone]

Originally posted by civrules


I disagree because when the people are beta testing some might not have PTW and they are supposed to play with every civ (PTW civs and the new civs) to see how balanced they are in the new game.
I am pretty sure the game will include everything that PTW had otherwise it would not be very fair for most people.

Putting everything that's in PTW in Conquests wouldn't be fair to everyone who has PTW now. I also don't think it is likely that Atari will want to give up selling PTW. We will just have to see...

 

[Civrules]

It would make the game incomplete for people who don’t have PTW to buy Conquests if it didn’t have PTW additions. On the bottom of the features list at civ3.com it says that the Original Civilization 3 Product will be needed to play Conquests. I am sure that it will also have scenarios for the civs in PTW and not just the new ones. If you connect the dots it makes sense.

Or maybe there will be two versions with the game; one for people that already have PTW but only at a lower price and the other who don’t have PTW but at a higher price. I think this would make it more fair but at the same time more complicated for the producers. Like I said earlier it would be frustrating if it didn’t have all the additions of PTW.

 

[ltccone]

I'm not as sure as you are.

This is what I'm guessing:
The 8 civs from PTW won't be included in Conquests.
The scenarios in conquests will only be for the new civs in Conquests.
MP will only be included if you have PTW.

 

[Civrules]

If that is the trouth I would not like it .

Wait a minute! It requires the original Civ 3 product to play so you could still play multiplayer even without PTW. If it was not so it will say “Play The World required in order to play” but it dose not say that it only says the original Civ 3 Product.

 

[ltccone]

Originally posted by civrules
Wait a minute! It requires the original Civ 3 product to play so you could still play multiplayer even without PTW. If it was not so it will say “Play The World required in order to play” but it dose not say that it only says the original Civ 3 Product.

You could still play SP without PTW, so PTW would not be REQUIRED. I'm betting you need PTW for MP. I hope I'm wrong...

 

[Civrules]

Read my post again, *Carefully*.

 

[Hygro]

After researching a bit I think Ghana or Songhai would be better than Mali. Mali was the smallest of the 3 different empires (thought basically the same culture with new Muslim influence).

Timbuktu, for example, was under Songhai's control.

 

[player1 fanatic]

Personnaly I only think that only fan-made scenarios from PtW don't be inclueded in C3C.

And maybe PtW civs (since they take lot of space of CD-ROM).

But, if you think about it, wouldn't it be a small nightmare to playtest Civ3/C3C vs Civ3/PtW/C3C combos.

So I think they will go easy way.
Include all from PtW exempt fan-based material.


P.S.
Was Gold edition "fair" for those who bought all other XPs?

 

[Civrules]

player1 fanatic, agreed!

Sorry, but sinse I don't know much about civ 2 (but should) what did the gold edition have that the rest didn't?

 

[kring]

Originally posted by civrules
player1 fanatic, agreed!

Sorry, but sinse I don't know much about civ 2 (but should) what did the gold edition have that the rest didn't?

Gold editions tend to include the original game plus one or more XP's.

Example: Empire Earth Gold includes Empire Earth and the XP for Empire Earth.

Latest FAQ from http://www.Civ3.com Conquests:

Civilization III: Conquests Expansion Frequently Asked Questions:
Last Updated 5/20/2003



What is the status of the Civilization III: Conquests expansion?
The game is currently in development for the PC, and is expected to be released in the Fall of 2003.



What can we expect from Civilization III: Conquests?
Civilization III: Conquests provides Civ fans with intriguing new civilizations, units, wonders, technologies, terrain features, special abilities, and more to help them triumph in eight professionally designed conquests throughout history. These new scenarios will challenge novice and experienced players alike, in new and unique ways! Conquests also provides enhanced multiplayer and editor support.

For more information, see the Civilization III: Conquests - Features Page.


Who is publishing Civilization III: Conquests?
Atari (formerly Infogrames Interactive) will be publishing this product.



What are the system requirements for the game?
Windows® version (95/98/Me/2000/XP)
Pentium II, 400Mhz
64 MB RAM
400 MB free HD space
4X CD-ROM
DirectX 8.0a or better
Video card: capable of 1024 x 768 x 16-bit color
Sound card: DirectX 8.0a compatible



Does Civilization III: Conquests include improved editor support?
Yes! Civilization III: Conquests ships with an improved version of the editor that will allow you to greatly customize your Civ experience in ways never seen before in any other Civilization game. The improved editor not only allows you to alter game elements such as advances, civilizations, units and wonders (to name a few), but also includes a robust map editor.


How many maps ship with Civilization III: Conquests?
A large amount of scenarios and maps will be available with Civilization III: Conquests. In addition to the professionally designed Conquests that will be available, Civilization III: Conquests will also include a large variety of fan-created scenarios!


Will Civilization III: Conquests include multiplayer support?
Yes! Civilization III: Conquests will include enhanced multiplayer support!



Is Civ III: Play the World needed in order to play Civ III: Conquests?
No! You will not need Civilization III: Play the World in order to play Civilization III: Conquests!


Note: This doesn't mean that PtW stuff will be included in C3C!

Originally posted by civrules


I disagree because when the people are beta testing some might not have PTW and they are supposed to play with every civ (PTW civs and the new civs) to see how balanced they are in the new game.
I am pretty sure the game will include everything that PTW had otherwise it would not be very fair for most people.

I am not sure why it wouldn't be fair to most people. After all, only around 1/4 of the Civ3 community has PtW.

You would need to test it both ways: with Civ3 only and with Civ3/PtW. I would expect that it is designed to work without PtW, without adding in everything from PtW. They may or may not add in anything from PtW. Or, you may only get the PtW stuff if you have PtW on your computer already. I have seen nothing yet that indicates that C3C will be a Civ3/PtW combination plus new stuff. If it did include both, the cost would have to be higher than if it didn't, and there would also be no reason to sell PtW separately. And, there has been no indication of discontinuing PtW.

 

[Mark Young]

One thing that I have always wanted the editor to do is to be able to select how much of each resource to have on a map. Hope this lets us do that.

 

[Civrules]

Kring, would it not be frustrating if you could not play the civs from PTW in C3C? Even if you have PTW? I think it would but they should at least add the civs from PTW and keep the price level

 

[kring]

I would hope that you could play the civs from PtW in C3C IF you have PtW, which I do. I wouldn't be frustrated if I didn't have PtW and wasn't able to play any of the PtW civs. After all, what would be the point in continuing to sell PtW if all of its components were available in C3C? There wouldn't be any point. I would hope that the directory setup would allow you to choose any of the civs available, which would include the PtW ones if you have PtW, the way PtW allows you to choose one of the vanilla Civ3 civs. I don't think it is wise to assume that C3C will have all the goodies of PtW unless Firaxis, Atari, or Breakaway says that it does. We don't know that we will be able to use the PtW civs in C3C yet; I would hope that we can, but I haven't read it anywhere.

I have seen a lot of assumptions made, just like they were for PtW. Many of the assumptions made for PtW weren't based on anything said or printed about it, just people assuming based on their own desires. End result, people unhappy because what they assumed didn't materialize.

 

[oldmanrupert]

Apart from Australia lacking a blood thirsty desire for world domination, how is it so much less ancient than America?

 

[Hygro]

oldmanrupert,

America happens to lead the world in many areas not just militarily and economically but culturally as well. Though most American cultural items are economic, America has left a far more distictive mark on the world than Australia.

 

[oldmanrupert]

Wasn't disputing that mate.

 

[Hygro]

then whats the dispute

 

[oldmanrupert]

I'm not arguing a comparason (sic), I'm arguing that there is a place for modern civs. America is proof that a civ doesn't have to be 1000s of years old to be included.

 

[kring]

Another reason I don't think that PtW will be part of C3C was something I realized when posting a reply to someone else.

The size of PtW is around 400 MB; the size of C3C around 400 MB. In looking over my PtW folders, most of this space is taken up in two places: the Art folder, and the Scenarios folder. A good reason to believe same will hold true for C3C is that it also includes 8 new civs and plenty of scenarios, according to the released information.

 

[Mark Young]

Originally posted by kring
Another reason I don't think that PtW will be part of C3C was something I realized when posting a reply to someone else.

The size of PtW is around 400 MB; the size of C3C around 400 MB. In looking over my PtW folders, most of this space is taken up in two places: the Art folder, and the Scenarios folder. A good reason to believe same will hold true for C3C is that it also includes 8 new civs and plenty of scenarios, according to the released information.

Is there any real reason to think that you can't access both van civ and PTW whilst playing the new game? If PTW can access the van civ files why would C3C be any different?
As far as I know when PTW loads it is told which folder to look for text entry's, pediaicon, animations etc and it gets them from both the PTW folders and the Civ3 folders without a lot of problems. Why would accessing a 3rd set of folders be a unprogrammable nightmare?
I think that we will be able to access van civ, PTW and C3C, but I'm not a modder so maybe I'm wrong.
Can someone who has modded and who knows a bit more accurately than me if this is the case or if I having myself on?