Either there is a God, or there isn't.

[Rad Chris]

Ok, its hard to avoid personally attacking someone when they rely on Kent Hovind. The man is a liar and a charlatan. As an interesting aside I actually reccomend everyone view his videos HERE just to see how much of a crackpot he is. In fact all of diablodelmars arguments are lifted pretty much verbatim from The Dangers of Evolution, an hour long rant about why Hitler and Stalin where evolutionists.

 

[ComradeDavo]

All of the so-called evidence for evolution is, in fact, a lie! Of course, you can find information on it in every single science book, which will create an impression on people like "If everyone else says its true, even scientists, then it must be true!" It's called falling to peer pressure.

Dinosaurs are a lie??!!

Monkeys don't exist?

There are no skeletons of fish with legs?


Come off it, there is large substantial amount of evidence for evolution.

 

[Gangor]

God? No... surely it was the Flying Spaghetti Monster! Or perhaps the Invisable Pink Unicorn?

 

[Shaihulud]

There might be a God, but thats placing my belief entirely on faith, while the evolutionary process is based on evidence. It doesn't worry me either way wether God exists, because hes an easy going guy.

 

[Turner]

Moderator Action: So much for the 'no personal attacks'.

This thread is going off topic, and fast. This thread is not to debate whether or not Evolution is right and Creationism is wrong, or vice versa. It's simply 'Do you believe in god?'

I can't vote in the poll, simply because there is no option for those of us who don't see god as a omniscient and omnipresent being.

 

[ComradeDavo]

This thread is going off topic, and fast. This thread is not to debate whether or not Evolution is right and Creationism is wrong, or vice versa. It's simply 'Do you believe in god?'

The thing that the thread starter diablodelmar is making out that evolution is a lie as part of his 'proof' there is a god, so believe in either creationism or evolution seems to play a critical part in answering him.

 

[diablodelmar]

Dinosaurs are a lie??!!

Monkeys don't exist?

There are no skeletons of fish with legs?


Come off it, there is large substantial amount of evidence for evolution.

I'm not saying they are lies, but that the evolutionary explaination for them is incorrect. For example, we don't know how monkeys evovled now do we? We have so many missing links (supposedly) for primate to human evolution.

 

[diablodelmar]

Moderator Action: So much for the 'no personal attacks'.

This thread is going off topic, and fast. This thread is not to debate whether or not Evolution is right and Creationism is wrong, or vice versa. It's simply 'Do you believe in god?'

I can't vote in the poll, simply because there is no option for those of us who don't see god as a omniscient and omnipresent being.

Thanks Turner. I love moderators.

 

[diablodelmar]

Ok, its hard to avoid personally attacking someone when they rely on Kent Hovind. The man is a liar and a charlatan. As an interesting aside I actually reccomend everyone view his videos HERE just to see how much of a crackpot he is. In fact all of diablodelmars arguments are lifted pretty much verbatim from The Dangers of Evolution, an hour long rant about why Hitler and Stalin where evolutionists.

Once again, all evolutionist can do is throw links that somebody else made. Also, where did you get the idea that I get my information only from Kent Hovind? Don't make such rediculous assumptions. Here is how I describe my sources and what you hear from me, and you can quote me on this:

45% my own speculation
30% Kent Hovind, who is such a brilliant guy.
25% Other

 

[diablodelmar]

Kent Hovind.

Oops. Sorry, for not sticking to the no-personal-attacks request.

Are you trying to quote me? Please don't.

 

[Rad Chris]

I'm not saying they are lies, but that the evolutionary explaination for them is incorrect. For example, we don't know how monkeys evovled now do we? We have so many missing links (supposedly) for primate to human evolution.

The claim that there are gaps in the fossil record is a lie. Its not a matter of alternative interpretation or ambiguous evidence, its just a bare faced lie. There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of 'missing links'.

 

[diablodelmar]

The thing that the thread starter diablodelmar is making out that evolution is a lie as part of his 'proof' there is a god, so believe in either creationism or evolution seems to play a critical part in answering him.

Actually that wasn't my main point, but there is yet truth to what you said.

 

[diablodelmar]

The claim that there are gaps in the fossil record is a lie. Its not a matter of alternative interpretation or ambiguous evidence, its just a bare faced lie. There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of 'missing links'.

How do we date them? Please...I'm interested.

Oh and also, sorry, I forgot to add, that my point was we don't know how monkeys got here using evolution. We have a weak theory about how humans came about, but there is zero evidence to suggest the origin of Apes and monkeys!

There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of 'missing links'

All of which have been disproved, but covered up by evolutionists.

Did you know that Dinosaurs lived with man? That certainly is a blow to evolution.

 

[Spartan117]

tthey are dated by carbon and chemical reations etc...
carbon dating

wow i am watching this kevin hovind...very amusing...

especially when he trying to compare the dates of 1963 and evolution and all these high rates of suicide premartial marriage and says it is because of evolution being taught in class\

in the fifth dimension bigger objects can fit in smaller objects

and i am going to hell...gosh darn't

more on point i dont believe in god...

 

[diablodelmar]

tthey are dated by carbon and chemical reations etc...
carbon dating

wow i am watching this kevin hovind...very amusing...

especially when he trying to compare the dates of 1963 and evolution and all these high rates of suicide premartial marriage and says it is because of evolution being taught in class\

in the fifth dimension bigger objects can fit in smaller objects

and i am going to hell...gosh darn't

more on point i dont believe in god...

Well done! You are heading in the right direction! keep watching Kent Hovind, its the most sense you'll find on the topic.

Did you know that among Archeologists (even secular ones too) carbon dating is a joke? You'll find (and by their own admission) that it is only ever quoted if it agrees with their prior assumptions! Did you know that a live penguin was carbon dated to be 5,000 years old? What a dumb theory.

Oh, and, by the way, you will not be laughing if* you are burning in hell.

*happy Markus?

 

[Rad Chris]

How do we date them? Please...I'm interested.

Oh and also, sorry, I forgot to add, that my point was we don't know how monkeys got here using evolution. We have a weak theory about how humans came about, but there is zero evidence to suggest the origin of Apes and monkeys!


All of which have been disproved, but covered up by evolutionists.

Did you know that Dinosaurs lived with man? That certainly is a blow to evolution.

We date them using carbon dating mostly, there are of course other methods. But you knew that, you just dont think its accurate because there are occasions of a result being obviously wrong. Well let me ask you, if you see a clock that is wrong, does that mean all clocks are wrong?

Edit: Someone beat me to it. Your claim that carbon dating is a joke is another lie, no one disputes the results expect evangelicals. For an explaination of anomalous results please refer to my 'all clocks are wrong' sentence.

 

[diablodelmar]

We date them using carbon dating mostly, there are of course other methods. But you knew that, you just dont think its accurate because there are occasions of a result being obviously wrong. Well let me ask you, if you see a clock that is wrong, does that mean all clocks are wrong?

Edit: Someone beat me to it. Your claim that carbon dating is a joke is another lie, no one disputes the results expect evangelicals. For an explaination of anomalous results please refer to my 'all clocks are wrong' sentence.

Wrong matey! They dont date them using carbon dating! please try again.

 

[Spartan117]

sorry diablodemar, i was being sarcastic

i meant amusing in a funny way...

by the way this is my last post i see this thread ending and people getting banned etc...

bible is not a credible source more like a historical textbook, and like any otehr historical text it is biased on who wrote it

 

[diablodelmar]

If we are here merely by accident, then our thought processes must be accident as well. I see no reason why we, pure accidents, should realise that we are accidents. Accidents result in disorder, as the 2nd law of thermodynamics tells us (and common sense, which evolutionists lack in a great degree).

 

[diablodelmar]

sorry diablodemar, i was being sarcastic

i meant amusing in a funny way...

by the way this is my last post i see this thread ending and people getting banned etc...

bible is not a credible source more like a historical textbook, and like any otehr historical text it is biased on who wrote it

Why not? It is totally accurate. Ever heard of the dead sea scrolls?