Either there is a God, or there isn't.

[diablodelmar]

Hi I considered the possibility. I used to be really religious (I was raised that way), but I asked myself enough questions that it just didn't make sense for me to believe anymore.
And yes, I think evolution has had enough evidence to give it serious weight. What about you?

Oh no! You are wrong right there! Evolution has extremely weak! The only reasons evolution exist are because man needed to justify atheism. Huxley even once said "I suppose the only real reason we leapt at Origin of Species was because we didn't want a God interfereing with our sexual mores". Essentially, we don't want God telling us the rules. We are our own Gods.

All of the so-called evidence for evolution is, in fact, a lie! Of course, you can find information on it in every single science book, which will create an impression on people like "If everyone else says its true, even scientists, then it must be true!" It's called falling to peer pressure.

Did you know that crime and teenage suicide, among other things, has increased by over a thousand percent since 1963 when evolution was introduced? Evolution is dangerous! I could go on for hours but I haven't time.

Also, who or what defines right and wrong since there is no God?

 

[Pyrite]

"Also, who or what defines right and wrong since there is no God?"

Pragmatism. Just like the rest of human history. I'd like to see where morality was during that.

Also, your credibility, kind of, sort of just fell out the window. A god, that could be possible.
Creationism? Well, sure, if the devil hid all the dinosaur bones to confuse us. Let's ask Jack chick about it.

 

[FreeTerminus]

Oh no! You are wrong right there! Evolution has extremely weak! The only reasons evolution exist are because man needed to justify atheism. Huxley even once said "I suppose the only real reason we leapt at Origin of Species was because we didn't want a God interfereing with our sexual mores". Essentially, we don't want God telling us the rules. We are our own Gods.

All of the so-called evidence for evolution is, in fact, a lie! Of course, you can find information on it in every single science book, which will create an impression on people like "If everyone else says its true, even scientists, then it must be true!" It's called falling to peer pressure.

Did you know that crime and teenage suicide, among other things, has increased by over a thousand percent since 1963 when evolution was introduced? Evolution is dangerous! I could go on for hours but I haven't time.

Also, who or what defines right and wrong since there is no God?

Hi Sorry, I haven't been on this forum long enough to be able to tell when people are just joking with me or being serious. Is this your real opinion?

 

[Pyrite]

"Hi Sorry, I haven't been on this forum long enough to be able to tell when people are just joking with me or being serious. Is this your real opinion? "

AHAHAHAHAHA

 

[A'AbarachAmadan]

Did you know that crime and teenage suicide, among other things, has increased by over a thousand percent since 1963 when evolution was introduced?

Where do you get your stats?! Below are a couple random ones that don't show anything like you claim. A disturbing increase, but in the range of x2 to x3 depending upon the group. I guess evolution has taken away the ability of many to count.

http://www.nami.org/Content/ContentGroups/Helpline1/Teenage_Suicide.htm

It is a hopeful sign that while the incidence of suicide among adolescents and young adults nearly tripled from 1965 to 1987, teen suicide rates in the past ten years have actually been declining, possibly due to increased recognition and treatment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_suicide

Although the suicide rate among youth significantly decreased in the mid-1990s, suicide deaths remain high in the 15 to 24 age group with 3,971 suicides in 2001 and over 132,000 suicide attempts in 2002 making it the third leading cause of death for those aged 15 to 24 in the United States [1]. In the United Kingdom, the suicide rate for Males under 15 - 24 has risen consistently since 1989, whilst that for females in the same age group has remained largely static[1]. However, given the overall decline in the suicide rate in the UK, the rises in suicide amongst the 15-24 male population has been a considerable cause for concern [2]. since More preventive measures have been taken in the last ten years including increased understanding of the risk factors and causes and spreading information to schools and parents.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

I believe there is a God, because whichever way you believe, it is by purely faith.

Firstly, that is no reason to believe.
And secondly, it is not faith. Faith necesseciates some form of committment or allegiance, and that is not necessarily the case - either way.

There is no imperical evidence to support the (non)existence of a God.

You don't even need that in order to prove that something does not or can not exist. If something is a contradiction in terms, it can not exist. Square circles come to the mind. You don't need any empirical evidence to completely reject their existence.

With "God," however, the definition is a first problem. To me it is pretty much unintelligible about what you are talking anyway when you are talking about "God." What I am pretty certain about, is that in my beliefs there is nothing that I would identify with the term "God." Just as I wouldn't identify anything with the term "Blarig." Faith? No, not really.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Where do you get your stats?!

Kent Hovind.

Oops. Sorry, for not sticking to the no-personal-attacks request.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Hi Sorry, I haven't been on this forum long enough to be able to tell when people are just joking with me or being serious. Is this your real opinion?

With Creationists you can never be sure whether parody or real.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Creationism posts reported and requested moved, as a thread exists for them.

I believe in the Christian God, because of the body of corroborating evidence for the Bible in general and the Gospels in particular.
(Anybody mentioning the DVC will get a solid whack with my CB4.)

 

[Pyrite]

"Anybody mentioning the DVC will get a solid whack with my CB4"

What are you talking about? And, where's the corroborating evidence?

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Oh no! You are wrong right there! Evolution has extremely weak! The only reasons evolution exist are because man needed to justify atheism. Huxley even once said "I suppose the only real reason we leapt at Origin of Species was because we didn't want a God interfereing with our sexual mores". Essentially, we don't want God telling us the rules. We are our own Gods.

http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/julian_huxley_lie.html

(Edited to make link work)

 

[Leifmk]

In effect, evolution teaches us that we are Gods. We are slowly becoming more and more like perfect Gods through a slow process.

Complete nonsense.

 

[diablodelmar]

For me, this is kind of a complex viewpoint that I should best simplyfy. I believe that God has indeed created the entire universe as well as providing the ingredience for life (The basic chemical elements for DNA and amino acids) and I believe that God has let evolution take it's natural course. In a sense I am an Evolutionist as well as a creationist (note the lower casing since many Catholics dont take creationism literaly as God created every living thing) with a belief that God created the universe at the Big Bang.

You are then, in fact, a theistic evolutionist? In other words, you don't take the bible literally? Could I suggest you watch Kent Hovind's DVDs? They are brill...

 

[diablodelmar]

Complete nonsense.

Actually, no. Also, the bible said that people will be "willingly ignorant of the word of God". I think once again the bible is proven correct!

 

[Erik Mesoy]

"Anybody mentioning the DVC will get a solid whack with my CB4"

What are you talking about?

Da Vinci Code, Clue-by-four.

And, where's the corroborating evidence?

You're parodying diablodelmar and his stance on evolution now, right? Start with Josephus, Tacitus, and Pliny.

Actually, no. Also, the bible said that people will be "willingly ignorant of the word of God". I think once again the bible is proven correct!

The question is about who. *cough*

 

[Pyrite]

"You're parodying diablodelmar and his stance on evolution now, right? Start with Josephus, Tacitus, and Pliny."
No, I actually honestly wanted to hear what you had to say about corroborating evidence since I've never heard that stance. If you'd rather explain then be dismissive, it'd be helpful probably. Maybe.

Also, I'm not sure if the Da Vinci Code is well known enough to be made shorthand unlike, for example the NIV which is something along the lines of what I thought you were going for hahaha.

 

[Hotpoint]

As regards the existance/non-existance of God/Gods the burden of proof in this case lays solely with the theist because it is innately impossible to prove a negative here.

Given that there are hypothetical possible evidences for the existance of God but there are no such possible evidences for their non-existance, doesn't that mean that you cannot simply equate the positions as being just two sides of the same coin?

By the way as regards morality with or without God the real world statistics indicate the atheists and agnostics to be more "moral" than their theist counterparts. Certainly the crime rate (and the divorce rate if you think of that as being immoral) is notably higher amongst self-professed Christians than amongst us "Godless Heathens"

 

[ComradeDavo]

There is no god.

If there isn't a God, then we are hurtling through space at 66,000 MPH with nobody to care about us.

Wrong, we care about us.

What is your take? If you don't believe in a God (Atheist) then tell me, in some relative detail, what (or who, more specifically) defines right from wrong? The government?

We define right from wrong.

 

[Hotpoint]

Da Vinci Code, Clue-by-four. You're parodying diablodelmar and his stance on evolution now, right? Start with Josephus, Tacitus, and Pliny.
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Certainly for Josephus (the source closest to the action so to speak) the passage that deals with Christ's existance is generally thought to be a forgery added later.

At that time lived Jesus, a holy man, if a man he may be called, for he performed wonderful works, and taught men and they joyfully received the truth. And he was followed by many Jews and many Greeks. He was the messiah. And our leaders denounced him. When Pilate caused him to be crucified, those who loved him before did not deny him. For he appeared to them after having risen from death on the third day. The holy prophets had, moreover, predicted of him these and many other wonders. The race of Christians takes its name from him, and still exists at the present time.

The problem is that Josephus was an observant Jew (not a Christian) and would certainly not have called Jesus "the messiah" nor would he have likely believed that he rose from the dead.

If you're interested you could take a look at these sites (they cover Tacitus and Pliny too plus others)

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/scott_oser/hojfaq.html
http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/sources.html

 

[diablodelmar]

Hi Sorry, I haven't been on this forum long enough to be able to tell when people are just joking with me or being serious. Is this your real opinion?

Yes it is.