Election fraud in USA?

[Ebitdadada]

And moaning about corruption in the USA elections when we have it here too.
Although you did get it first...

LOL happy that's a class joke.

So were you being sarcastic with the first statement? Good then!

Glad you mentioned the second part as the second thing I was thinking about when I read your post was about the recent election fraud in the UK!

The third thing I was thinking about was the unhealthy obsessive behaviour of some who frequent this forum of searching for and finding bad news involving the United States.

- Yes I know the US has its problems but when you spend more time researching problems in the US than researching problems in your own country, spend more time researching problems about the US than doing productive activities, or frequently know of American problems before I do- YOU HAVE A PROBLEM!

Anyway, that's my daily rant - NOTICE - Not directed at the thread starter - I think he was being sarcastic and like I said, I love my Brits. If the first poster was not being sarcastic (hard to tell on an internet forum) then

 

[Elrohir]

More leftist whining because they can't handle the fact that the majority of Americans voted for Bush. Get over it guys, you lost, move on with your lives. It was pathetic a year ago, now it's sad beyond description.

 

[Taliesin]

A few posts in this thread, if one were to put quotation marks around them, would become hilarious pieces of satire. "OMG! OMG! All the commies! Why don't you pinkos move to Cuba, pinko?! Get over it already! Commie commie commie!"

 

[GeorgeOP]

Let's review my local city Milwaukee.

No photo ID is required. You just walk up and say, "I'm George OP." They ask your address and double check the list. So if you know the name and address of someone who has not voted yet, you are given a ballot. It is illegal for election officials to challange who you say you are unless you give wrong information or you "already voted." Also note that official poll watchers paid to be there by a political party are allowed to look at the list of who has and hasn't voted yet anytime during the day. The list includes their address.

50-70 minivans sitting in the Republican parking lot had their tires slashed the morning of the election. The vans were to be used to help older and physically handicapped people get to the poles. Yes, they were mostly R voters, but the Ds in the city have their own vehicles for the same purpose. 5 people were charged, all were sons of prominent D's in the city. 4 got pleabargened by the D district attorney to misdemeaner charges and 5 months probation.

In the city itself (mostly D's) something like 8000 more ballots were counted than registered voters are in the city. No accounting for the discrepency. Somehow some districts had greater than 100% turnout.

The R's found at least 5000 cases where registered voters addresses listed were non-existant buildings. They were dismissed as probable typographical errors. 5000 people in the city don't know their home address? Or our poll workers messed up on 5000 registrations.

After all of this, people still say there is no vote fraud in Wisconsin. Another great point is that you can register anytime, including at the poles. They never ask where you used to be registered, nor do they take you off the list if you register somewhere else. You are expected to either unregister or just promise not to vote. I know I'm personally registered in all three districts I have lived since I was 18 in the last 8 years.

Despite all of this, Kerry only won the state by 11,000. Our 10 votes would have made Ohio unneccisary to Bush's cause. I'm not discounting that there might be vote fraud by the Republicans, nor am I pointing this out to justify any vote fraud. Just pointing out that it's a problem developed from both sides of the isle.

 

[shortguy]

The general trend seems to be that Democrats binge and Republicans purge, so to speak.

 

[Azash]

It looks like someone needs to invade the USA and install a democracy!

"After last November’s presidential election, there were numerous reports of irregularities. Reported problems included:

· voting machine shortages
· ballots counted and recounted in secret
· lost, discarded, and improperly rejected registration forms and absentee ballots
· touch-screen machines that registered “Bush” when voters pressed “Kerry”
· precincts in which there were more votes recorded than registered voters
· precincts in which the reported participation rate was less than 10%
· high rates of “spoiled” ballots and under-votes in which no choice for president was recorded
· a sworn affidavit by a Florida computer programmer who claims he was hired to develop a voting program with a “back door” mechanism to undetectably alter vote tallies

http://uscountvotes.org/ucvAnalysis/US/USCountVotes_Re_Mitofsky-Edison.pdf

Read Moore's Stupid White Men (Or something, not sure of the original name).

 

[Cuivienen]

Why do you need a national ID card if you have a state photo ID?

Some states (like wonderful New Jersey) don't have a photo on your driver's license when it gets renewed.

Also, at shortguy.

 

[BasketCase]

Every once in a while, I read some argument with a communist and it's the same thing. Someone says that communism has a long history of being murderous toward religious people. Then the communist says, "Remember your Inquisition? It happens all throughout history all the time." What the hell is that?

Did it ever occur to you that that guy is absolutely right?

The Inquisition did happen, after all, and it was a bad thing. And things like that are still happening today. All the time. Doesn't change the fact that Communism still sucks.

Here's an important difference. That Communist d00d you exampled, pointed the finger at you and went "remember YOUR Inquisition?"

Did I do that? No. I pointed the finger at both the Republicans AND the Democrats, and said "both those parties do this".

A whole lot of these threads are this or that person ranting about bad things done by one political party. People need to be reminded (1) that such malefesance is not exclusive to one party, and (2) that such malefesance is the exception rather than the rule.

Election fraud is a fact of life. It doesn't make democracy a bad thing, it doesn't make the Democrats a bad thing, and it doesn't make the Republicans a bad thing. It makes the one guy who commits fraud a bad thing.

 

[Irish Caesar]

Some states (like wonderful New Jersey) don't have a photo on your driver's license when it gets renewed.

Really? I've never seen a license without an ID.

That's stupid.

 

[Phlegmak]

Did it ever occur to you that that guy is absolutely right?

The Inquisition did happen, after all, and it was a bad thing. And things like that are still happening today. All the time. Doesn't change the fact that Communism still sucks.

Here's an important difference. That Communist d00d you exampled, pointed the finger at you and went "remember YOUR Inquisition?"

Did I do that? No. I pointed the finger at both the Republicans AND the Democrats, and said "both those parties do this".

A whole lot of these threads are this or that person ranting about bad things done by one political party. People need to be reminded (1) that such malefesance is not exclusive to one party, and (2) that such malefesance is the exception rather than the rule.

Election fraud is a fact of life. It doesn't make democracy a bad thing, it doesn't make the Democrats a bad thing, and it doesn't make the Republicans a bad thing. It makes the one guy who commits fraud a bad thing.

You're entirely missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm saying you're just simply trying to distract from the topic at hand. It changes nothing about the fact that there is election fraud where Diebold is involved. Diebold supports Republicans, the party you like the most, therefore you are trying to distract attention from Diebold's and Republicans' corruption.

Edit: Also, simply saying "election fraud from comes from both parties" adds nothing to the subject of Diebold being corrupt. Election fraud is as old as holding elections, but that fact adds nothing to any of this.

 

[BasketCase]

You're entirely missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm saying you're just simply trying to distract from the topic at hand.

The thread topic is "election fraud", therefore my comments are entirely on-topic. However, since you're trying to redirect the argument to focus specifically on Diebold and Republicans only.....you're the one who's scamming.

While the OP did use the word "Bush" once, most of the accusations it made could have been applied to both parties--voting machines with backdoor code to generate votes for Kerry, for example.

 

[BasketCase]

Diebold supports Republicans, the party you like the most

Quick: who can tell Phlegmak which party I voted for in 2004??

 

[ybbor]

Quick: who can tell Phlegmak which party I voted for in 2004??

ohh! I can! I can!

It took forever to dig through everything, but that sounded like a challenge! And I'm too freakin competitive for my own good

answer

 

[Phlegmak]

Quick: who can tell Phlegmak which party I voted for in 2004??

Judging by your neverending support of the Bush administration, your refusal to vote in the 2004 election is meaningless.

 

[BasketCase]

Gratz Ybbor.

If I actually supported the Bush administration, I would have voted for it, and I would also not be saying things like "it's possible Bush lied about Saddam's WMD". I would also not have been saying election fraud comes from both major parties; I would be quoting specific incidents of fraud by Democrats.

Anyway, here's where election fraud comes from:

Poll: Would You Be Willing to Lie In Order to Get Dubya Out Of Office?

The red bar in that poll represents people, right here in CFC, who are willing to do more than simply vote; they're willing to commit a small breach of ethics in order to stop what they perceive as a much bigger one.

If you rig a voting machine to stack the ballot box for Kerry, where's the harm? You're not killing anybody, so it's not hard to justify if you think Bush Jr. is a disaster for the free world.

There is a select cadre of people on both sides who really, genuinely believe the Other Side is a disaster for the free world--that liberals are trying to pollute the world with Communism and destroy our moral and ethical foundation, or that conservatives are trying to convert us all to Christianity and destroy the environment. And in each of those cadres, there are a select few who are willing to go to any length short of murder to put their Party in power.

However, as the poll demonstrated, those people are the minority. More power to those of you who showed up in the "No" column!

 

[Odin2006]

Electronic voting machines should be banned, Even machines with a paper print-out could still be rigged. Minnesota uses paper ballots that are marked with a pen with a special ink and then are sent through a scanning machine, that works just fine. I will never trust an electronic voting machine, EVER.

 

[bhsup]

Heck, I thought the punch cards worked fine. As long as one can read directions and punches out the hole good enough, there isn't a worry. Personal responsibility and all that?

However, they ditched the punch cards here back in 1998 or so and went to optical scanner ballots where you fill in the oval with sharpies. Seems to work fine, but the punch card ballots were probably more efficient.

 

[Odin2006]

Heck, I thought the punch cards worked fine. As long as one can read directions and punches out the hole good enough, there isn't a worry. Personal responsibility and all that?

However, they ditched the punch cards here back in 1998 or so and went to optical scanner ballots where you fill in the oval with sharpies. Seems to work fine, but the punch card ballots were probably more efficient.

Puch cards arn't bad, the ones used in Florida in 2000 were just poorly designed and confusing, causing a lot of people to accedentally vote for the reform party canidate. Ink & optical scanners are better though, no dimpled or hanging chad problem.

 

[DBear]

Odin, it was YOUR bunch that complained about punch cards in Florida in 2000. Now they've been mostly replaced with scanners and electronic ballots.


Proving once again....be careful what you wish for. You might get it.