Elimination Thread-Returning Civ 5 Leaders

[Guandao]

The 39 contenders in this game are the leaders which appeared in Civ5 and its expansions but have yet to be seen in Civ6. Montezuma II, Pedro II, Gandhi, and Alexander do not appear, for obvious reasons. It looks like this game will take longer than my first one.

The objective is to eliminate Leaders you are not interested in returning and upvote those you want to return.

Standard Forum Elimination Game Rules:
1) Every 24 hours, you add 1 point to one Leader you want to see and subtract 3 points from a Leader that you are less eager to see return.
2) Each Leader starts with 20 points. First Leader eliminated takes last place, and so forth. Last surviving contender takes the Gold!
3) Give a reason each time you vote for why you chose as you did.
4) Don't comment in the thread unless your post contains your daily votes.
5) Don't get upset because Leader X wasn't included or because Leader Y was. This is based purely on those Leaders which have already been featured in Civ5.

Ranking:
1. Ashurbanipal
2. Pachacuti
3. Gajah Mada
4. Shaka
5. Kamehameha
6. Suleiman
7. Bismarck
8. Wu Zetian
9. Ahmad al-Mansur
10. Genghis Khan
11. Napoleon
12. Gustavus Adolphus
13. Ramesses II
14. Maria Theresa
15. Sejong
16. Nebuchadnezzar II
17. Harun al Rashid
18. Pacal
19. Enrico Dandolo
20. Catherine
21. Augustus Caesar
22. Elizabeth I
23. William
24. Ramkhamhaeng
25. Askia
26. Haile Selassie
27. Isabella
28. Theodora
29. Washington
30. Casimir III
31. Darius I
32. Oda Nobunaga
33. Boudica
34. Hiawatha
35. Dido
36. Harald Bluetooth
37. Pocatello
38. Attila
39. Maria I

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 20
Askia 20
Attila 20
Augustus Caesar 20
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 20
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 20
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 20
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 20
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 20
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 20
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 20
Pocatello 20
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 20
Shaka 20
Suleiman 20
Theodora 20
Washington 20
William 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Siptah]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 20
Askia 20
Attila 20
Augustus Caesar 17 (20-3) really no need to have him and Trajan
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 20
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 20
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 20
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 21 (20+1) always a pleasure to meet him. And I'd like Denmark to be back.
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 20
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 20
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 20
Pocatello 20
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 20
Shaka 20
Suleiman 20
Theodora 20
Washington 20
William 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 20
Askia 20
Attila 20
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 20
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 20
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan (20+1)=21 I don't mind him returning. He is why the Mongols are even included in the game at all.
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 21
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I (20-3)=17 Not one of Portugal's better rulers, by any means
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 20
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 20
Pocatello 20
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 20
Shaka 20
Suleiman 20
Theodora 20
Washington 20
William 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 20
Askia 20
Attila 20
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 20-3=17 - Although a great king, there is no need for another Achaemenid ruler of Persia. Ruler from another dynasty would be better.
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 20+1=21 - I really liked playing as Venice in Civ V. I wouldn't really mind seeing the greatest doge of Venice again, especially if they give him the ability to settle more cities, since the Republic of Venice controlled a lot of territories during his reign.
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 21
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 21
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 17
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 20
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 20
Pocatello 20
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 20
Shaka 20
Suleiman 20
Theodora 20
Washington 20
William 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 20 + 1 = 21 (Interesting leader with a clear agenda from an interesting and mighty civ. Would be a worthy inclusion)
Askia 20
Attila 20
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 21
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 21
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 21
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 17
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 20
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 20
Pocatello 20
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 20
Shaka 20
Suleiman 20
Theodora 20
Washington 20 - 3 = 17 (Vanilla and dull beyond compare, at least until a Civilization incarnation shows him as the soft-spoken and resilient commander he was.)
William 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Hawke9]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 21
Askia 20
Attila 20
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 21
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 21+1=22 (The Mongols were one of my favorite civs from civ v and I feel a tsl game is incomplete without them.)
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 21
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 17
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 20
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 20
Pocatello 20
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 20
Shaka 20
Suleiman 20
Theodora 20-3=17 (Byzantium isn't my favorite civ, and they could have definitely chosen a better leader.)
Washington 17
William 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[IgorS]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 21
Askia 20
Attila 20 - 3 = 17 - great leader, worthless civ (for this game, great for games like AoE, for example, where you don't build an empire, but just fight)
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 21
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 21
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 17
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 20
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 20
Pocatello 20
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 20
Shaka 20
Suleiman 20
Theodora 17
Washington 17 + 1 = 18 - America needs a President from the early days, and Washington is the best
William 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Roman Citizen]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 21
Askia 20
Attila 17
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 21
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 21
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 17-3=14 I don't mind having not so great leaders thrown in the game (I'm up for Charles VI of France or Ivan the Terrible), but they need a fun or interesting agenda ad go with the theme of big personalities. The only thing I could think of that is remotely interesting is that she retreated to Brazil when Napoleon invaded Portugal.
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 20
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 20
Pocatello 20
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 20
Shaka 20
Suleiman 20+1=21 There is a lot of material to work with Suleiman the magnificent. I think he would be a good big personality leader in civ VI
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[The Kingmaker]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 21
Askia 20
Attila 17
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 17
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 21
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 21
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 14-3=11 There's certainly both more capable and more colorful choices for Portugal.
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 20+1=21 Babylon is my favorite civ. I NEED them to return, and the sooner, the better.
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 20
Pocatello 20
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 20
Shaka 20
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 21
Askia 20
Attila 17
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 17-3=14 - I still have to go against Darius. Great and competent ruler, yes, I know, but he was an Achaemenid, and another Achaemenid ruler is completely unnecessary when we have Cyrus the Great already. Another dynasty, please!
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 21
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 21
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 11
Maria Theresa 20 - Oh... I'd really like to upvote her, she was incredibly competent ruler. She completely rebuilt Habsburg monarchy with her reforms... But her return would mean no separate Bohemian civ for me...
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 21
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 20
Pocatello 20
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 20+1=21 - ...so I'll give my upvote here. Sejong was also a very competent ruler, and Korea is an interresting civilization.
Shaka 20
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 21
Askia 20
Attila 17
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 14
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 21
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 21
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 11
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 21
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 20
Pocatello (20-3)=17 I would like a different Native American Civ and leader than Shoshone and Pocatello this time. I seriously never heard of him before BNW. I visited the town of Pocatello in Idaho, but didn't knew it was named for him.
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 20+1=21 We all know that sooner or later this Zulu warlord will reappear in Civ.
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Siptah]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 22 (21+1) Assyria is one of the civs that I miss most, and while there is an abundance of other valid options for this civ, I like Assurbanipal to return because of his famous library (many others would be military leaders - or traders if from the old empire). I'd like to have another science orientated leader from ancient times.
Askia 20
Attila 17
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 14
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 21
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 21
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 11
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 21
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 17 (20-3) I think it is time for his son to make his first civ appearance. Or a more obscure early ruler, like Inca Ruka with a nice early conquering or CS integration bonus. The Inca were masterful at integrating other tribes with marriages and conquering. This has played no ruler in the civ versions so far.
Pocatello17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[IgorS]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 22
Askia 20
Attila 17 - 3 = 14 - The Huns are one of the worst civ ideas of all time
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 14 + 1 = 15 - A great and worthy leader
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 21
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 21
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 11
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 21
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 20
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Hawke9]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 22
Askia 20
Attila 14
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 21
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 21-3=18. Don't get me wrong here, Harald Bluetooth seems like a good opponent to me, but he's just too similar to Harald Hardrada, both in the civ bonuses and in his name. I would love to see a different leader for Denmark though.
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 11
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 21
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 20+1=21, As a Dutchman myself, I would love to see the Netherlands return in civ 6. And who better to lead than the father of the fatherland himself?
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 22
Askia 20
Attila 14
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 21 + 1 = 22 (The ballsiest and shrewdest 90-year old ever, who sacked Constantinople while blind.)
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 18 - 3 = 15 (Didn't really do much that was noteworthy in his reign other than public works and losing some fights, while holding a very tenuous grip onto the Norwegian throne. I suspect he was chosen more for his last name than anything else.)
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 11
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 21
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Roman Citizen]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 22+1=23 An already great leader for a Civilization I yearn to return.
Askia 20
Attila 14-3=11 The Huns were a literal modern definition of a barbarian. Plus their real life cavalry horde temporary settlement way of life does not mesh well with the core gameplay with civilization, Empire building by city building.
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 15
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 11
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 21
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Gabriel Sergio]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Attila 11 - 3 = 8 If they want a horde-like and cavalry focused civ, it is mongols
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 20 + 1 = 21 He's a great leader, win against france and founding german empire
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 15
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 11
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 21
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[God of Kings]

Harald Bluetooth 18 - 3 = 15 (Didn't really do much that was noteworthy in his reign other than public works and losing some fights, while holding a very tenuous grip onto the Norwegian throne. I suspect he was chosen more for his last name than anything else.)

The Bluetooth connection is actually named after Harald Bluetooth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth

 

[Manifold]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Attila 9 (8+1) important personality of history, he must be in game somehow!
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 15
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 8 (11-3) absolute! what a bad voice in this selection
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 21
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Roman Citizen]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Attila 9
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 20 I bet all he will be in either of the next two dlcs.
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 15
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 8-3=5 get out of here!
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 21
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 20+1=21 I would like to see the Maya get the Greek multiple leaders represents multiple states within it's culture treatment. I would be fine seeing Pacal return along side some new maya leaders.
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 20