Elimination Thread-Returning Civ 5 Leaders

[The Kingmaker]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Attila 9
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 20
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 15
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 5-3=2 Someone want to escort her Majesty out?
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 21+1=22 Bring back Babylon!
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 21
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[God of Kings]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Attila 9
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 20 + 1 = 21 This is a given
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 15
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria I 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED Maria II would be a better choice
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Oda Nobunaga 20
Pacal 21
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Attila 9
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21 - Only two things protect him from my downvote for the reason that he wouldn't bring anything new as we have Barbarossa as a military leader of Germany already. First, he's the leader that would be my first choice for alternate leader of Germany. Second, I can easily imagine names for his LUA and agenda: "The Iron Chancellor" and "Blood and Iron".
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 20
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 15
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 20+1=21 - I'm mostly against second leaders in this list, but I have some exceptions. Napoleon is one of them. Catherine de' Medici was a horrible choice for a leader of France. Napoleon was one of the most iconic leaders of France, and I would like to see France with military bonuses.
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Oda Nobunaga 20-3=17 - His LUA would be probably very similar to Hojo's LUA. Also, no more Samurai leaders for Japan! I want emperor Meiji!
Pacal 21
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Attila 9
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 20-3=17 Time for Hannibal to shine! There only so much material in Dido's myth for an Agenda.
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 22
Gustavus Adolphus 20+1=21 How about a more accurate portrayal of Gustav this time?
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 15
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Oda Nobunaga 17 adding Meiji Emperor to the game is sure to piss off the Japanese government, just saying...
Pacal 21
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Attila 9
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 17
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 22 + 1 = 23 (Far too important to exclude, and this time, they shouldn't portray him as a cuddly teddy bear wrapped in furs, but someone with an imposing and grim presence, and cunning.)
Gustavus Adolphus 21
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 15 - 3 = 12 (Unworthy and dull. Any number of other leaders for Norway would have been more storied. At least Attila inspires fear. This cartoony teddy bear need not return.)
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Oda Nobunaga 17
Pacal 21
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[IgorS]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Attila 9 - 3 = 6 - Why is he still here?
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 17
Elizabeth 20 + 1 = 21 Sorry, Victoria, but I always think Elizabeth is more iconic.
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 21
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Oda Nobunaga 17
Pacal 21
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 21
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Manifold]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Attila 6
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 17
Elizabeth 18 (21-3) England should get a king as second leader. That is gender equality
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 21
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 22
Oda Nobunaga 17
Pacal 21
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 22 (21+1)There is no alternative with his fame.
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[The Kingmaker]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Attila 6-3=3 Unless they want to make the barbarians playable, the Huns need to go.
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 17
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 21
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 22+1=23 Bring back Babylon!
Oda Nobunaga 17
Pacal 21
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 20

 

[Hawke9]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Attila 3
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 17
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 22 <--- Badass
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 21
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12
Harun al-Rashid 20
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 17
Pacal 21+1=22, I really like to see the Maya in civ 6. I found them one of the most interesting civs, and Pacal seems like a pretty good leader.
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21 (Overall my favorite leader (check profile pic) but i didn't want to vote for him twice in a row.
Wu Zetian 20-3=17, She was a very vile ruler, she even sacrificed one of her children to become empress. I would rather see a different alternate leader for China.

 

[Roman Citizen]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Attila 3-3=0 ELIMINATED Goodbye barbarian.
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 17
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 21
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12
Harun al-Rashid 20+1=21 A good alternative for Arabia
Hiawatha 20
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 20
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 17
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 17

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 20
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 17
Elizabeth 18
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 21
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12
Harun al-Rashid 21
Hiawatha (20-3)=17 If the Iroquois return, I want a different leader, like Joseph Brant aka Thayendanegea. There's not really much known about Hiawatha (if he existed) except for co-founding the Iroquois confederacy.
Isabella 20
Kamehameha (20+1)=21 If Hawaii ever becomes a Civ, the first Kamehameha should lead.
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 17
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 17

 

[IgorS]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 20 - 3 = 17 - I think we've had enough of her and the Celts
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 17
Elizabeth 18 + 1 = 19 - Number one choice for England
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 21
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12
Harun al-Rashid 21
Hiawatha 17
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 17
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 17

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 20+1=21 - For two things. For him being the best choice for the Songhai Empire (along with Sonni Ali) and for my love for his badass leaderscreen and his peace music from Civ V.
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 17
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 17
Elizabeth 19
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 21
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12
Harun al-Rashid 21
Hiawatha 17
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 17-3=14 - In every single Civ game, we've had Samurai leader of Japan. I really don't want another one.
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17
Washington 18
William 21
Wu Zetian 17

 

[Hawke9]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 17
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 17
Elizabeth 19
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 21
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12
Harun al-Rashid 21
Hiawatha 17
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 14
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 17-3=14, I simply don't find her as interesting as the other leaders.
Washington 18
William 21+1=22, The Netherlands had a big impact on the world for such a small country. (Also,check my profile pic )
Wu Zetian 17

 

[Roman Citizen]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 17
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 17
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 17-3=14 I like leaders who can be actually be proven to be real and not the stuff of poetry.
Elizabeth 19+1=20 She is a series mainstay.
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 21
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12
Harun al-Rashid 21
Hiawatha 17
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 14
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 14
Washington 18
William 22
Wu Zetian 17

 

[Siptah]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 14 (17-3) With Trajan in the game, this one is not needed.
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 17
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 14
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 22 (21+1) probably the best option for Sweden, which I would like to see returning, and this time he could also look a bit more like Gustavus Adolphus.
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12
Harun al-Rashid 21
Hiawatha 17
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 20
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 14
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 17
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 14
Washington 18
William 22
Wu Zetian 17

 

[Guandao]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 14
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 17
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 14
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 22
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12
Harun al-Rashid 21
Hiawatha 17
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa (20+1)=21 Probably the only choice for leader of Austria. Forget Franz Joseph!
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 14
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello (17-3)=14 I wouldn't care if Pocatello and the Shoshone don't return. Their land grabbing ability is Russian now. The Pathfinder is sort of stereotypical for a Native American civ, and not specific to the Shoshone. They were a last minute replacement for the more interesting Puebloans.
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 14
Washington 18
William 22
Wu Zetian 17

 

[Kimiimaro]

Maria Theresa (20+1)=21 Probably the only choice for leader of Austria. Forget Franz Joseph!

Joseph II, her son who continued with reforms, maybe? I know, he wasn't as good as Maria Theresa was, but he was also an enlightened and good ruler. He also banned serfdom in Habsburg Monarchy.

 

[IgorS]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 14 + 1 = 15 - I would actually like to support Augustus. Yes, since we have Trajan, he is kind of less needed, but he was still perhaps the greatest Roman ruler, and it would be wrong to vote him off so early on
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 17
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 14
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23
Gustavus Adolphus 22
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12
Harun al-Rashid 21
Hiawatha 17
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 21
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 14
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 14 - 3 = 11 - Absolutely useless
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 14
Washington 18
William 22
Wu Zetian 17

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahmad al-Mansur 20
Ashurbanipal 23
Askia 21
Augustus Caesar 15
Bismarck 21
Boudicca 17
Casimir III 20
Catherine 20
Darius I 15
Dido 14
Elizabeth 20
Enrico Dandolo 22
Gajah Mada 21
Genghis Khan 23 + 1 = 24 (The greatest world conqueror, in part because he won with so few resources and much cunning, built on the backs of religious tolerance and meritocracy without regard for noble birth.)
Gustavus Adolphus 22
Haile Selassie 20
Harald Bluetooth 12 - 3 = 9 (Accomplished too little, and too similar in gameplay style due to his Viking nature.)
Harun al-Rashid 21
Hiawatha 17
Isabella 20
Kamehameha 21
Maria Theresa 21
Napoleon 21
Nebuchadnezzar II 23
Oda Nobunaga 14
Pacal 22
Pachacuti 17
Pocatello 11
Ramesses II 20
Ramkhamhaeng 20
Sejong 21
Shaka 22
Suleiman 21
Theodora 14
Washington 18
William 22
Wu Zetian 17