Elimination Thread-Returning Civ 5 Leaders

[Morningcalm]

Ashurbanipul 24 + 1 = 25 (IMO the most iconic leader remaining.)
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 12
Suleiman 9 - 3 = 6 (Cool in Age of Empires III (he likes chickpeas, also), but not impressed with his portrayal in prior Civ games. He never quite seems "grand" or imposing in anything other than a cartoony way in Civ)

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ashurbanipul 25
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 12-3=9 - Let's kill Shaka before Suleiman. Shaka would probably be just another guy that would have an agenda that would demand you to be at war, like Gorgo and Alex. He isn't known for anything else that being a great military leader. Also, I can live without Zulus in game for some time.
Suleiman 6+1=7 - Great conqueror and lawgiver. He was definitely one of the best Ottoman sultans, and I won't mind if he returned. He deserves to be in top five more than another generic warmonger Shaka. Also, the Ottoman Empire should really return.

 

[Guandao]

Ashurbanipul 25
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8
Pachacuti 25
Shaka (9+1)=10 Nope, let's keep Shaka alive, because he's the Zulus only worthy leader. I think Southern Africa will be empty without him.
Suleiman (7-3)=4 Suleiman should give way to a different Ottoman Sultan. How different can they portray him this time?

 

[Morningcalm]

Ashurbanipul 25 + 1 = 26 (Should always be leading given the remaining choices, IMO. And he was successfully portrayed as imposing in V, which is more than can be said for several other empire rulers.)
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 10
Suleiman 4 - 3 = 1 (Agreed. A different sultan would work just fine. Suleiman as Santa Clausy has been overplayed.)

 

[God of Kings]

Ashurbanipul 26
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8
Pachacuti 25 + 1 = 26 Let's bring back the Earth Shaker!
Shaka 10
Suleiman 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED As much as I want the Ottomans, it's time for a different ruler

 

[Kimiimaro]

Suleiman is gone I wonder, if he had a better voice acting and leaderscreen in Civ V, would people target someone else?

Ashurbanipul 26
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8
Pachacuti 26+1=27 - It seems that this will be a last battle between Ashurbanipal and Pachacuti. As much as I love Ashurbanipal's imposing voice acting and leaderscreen, I'm going to aid Pachacuti, since South America has practically only one Civ - Brazil. His return is much more needed than return of Ashurbanipal and Assyria.
Shaka 10-3=7 - Did really Suleiman, probably the greatest Ottoman Sultan, go before him? What other agenda than war could he, a leader that is known for his wars, have? Yes, he may be a "tradition", and in Civ V, he may have great leaderscreen and voice acting, but I'd much rather take him as a Great General. He isn't a priority to me.

 

[Guandao]

It's not that the leaderscreen for Suleiman was bad, it's just that there are other options for Ottoman Sultans. For most of the veteran Civs, I want to see a different leader who never appeared in Civ5.

Ashurbanipul 26
Gajah Mada (18-3)=15 If Indonesia is the DLC civ, I'm hoping for a different leader. Civ5 already got Gajah Mada portrayed right, do we really need to see him in a Civ6 style? Possible alternates include Hayam Wuruk, Raden Wijaya, and Tribhuwana (for a rare SE Asian female option).
Kamehameha 8
Pachacuti 27
Shaka (7+1)=8 He is warmonger, but he is needed in Civ, to fill a geographic area and also to be an annoying presence. USHAKA!

 

[Roman Citizen]

Ashurbanipul 26
Gajah Mada 15
Kamehameha 8-3=5 No thanks
Pachacuti 27
Shaka 8+1=9 The same argument I had with Genghis applies with Shaka.

 

[conorbebe]

Ashurbanipul 26
Gajah Mada 15
Kamehameha 6 (5 +1) A cultural icon.
Pachacuti 27
Shaka 6 (9 - 3) He's featured in literally every Civ game to date. Maybe it's time for someone else, like Cetshwayo kaMpande.

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ashurbanipul 26
Gajah Mada 15
Kamehameha 6
Pachacuti 27+1=28 - Probably the most needed leader here.
Shaka 6-3=3 - He would basically be Alexander 2.0. - another generic warmonger. He isn't a priority to me - there are so many African Civs I'd like to see more than Zulu, like Morocco, Mali, Carthage or Ethiopia.

 

[Guandao]

Ashurbanipul 26
Gajah Mada 15
Kamehameha (6-3)=3 I think the Maori should be the Polynesian representative this game. Since Kamehameha was a Hawaiian King, he's not suitable to be a Maori leader.
Pachacuti 28
Shaka (3+1)=4 Shaka is needed to fill Southern Africa. Generic warmongers are a necessary evil in Civ. Cetshwayo was the last Zulu ruler, right? So I don't think he was successful enough to represent the Zulus in Civ.

 

[Morningcalm]

Ashurbanipul 26 + 1 = 27 (Best option remaining for his conquests and his Library of Nineveh, IMO.)
Gajah Mada 15
Kamehameha 3 - 3 = Eliminated. While I like Kamehameha, he finished nicely here, and I would prefer a tattooed Maori chieftain this time as the Polynesian leader.
Pachacuti 28
Shaka 4

 

[Siptah]

Ashurbanipul 27
Gajah Mada 16 (15+1) I actually want Assurbanipal to win this round. But there are other quite good options for Assyria, and the Inka have other viable options, too. For Indonesia, I don't know much of its history beyond superficial things. I stumbled upon other leaders, but I think this one really stands out, both in what we know about him and what he supposedly did.
Pachacuti 28
Shaka 1 (4-3) Downvoted him earlier, but now it's time to go. He probably really is the best option for the Zulu, but I won't be crying if they don't return at all. I'd rather have more african civs from elsewhere. Or why not risk it and choose Swazi over the Zulu? Ngwane III could bring some fresh blood (and civ).

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ashurbanipul 27
Gajah Mada 16
Pachacuti 28+1=29 - Even if he always was a wonder stealing, denouncing and backstabbing jerk to me, I'd like his return more. It's not that I don't like Ashurbanipal - he was a great leader, Assyria is interesting choice for a Civ, and he could have some nice unique agenda and ability, but he is just not as necessary as Pachacuti. His return = return of Incan Empire, and South America has only one Civ so far.
Shaka 1-3=-2 (ELIMINATED) - A generic warmonger is still generic. He's practically South African Alex 2.0. I can live without Zulu for some time. (Actually, although I was working on his elimination, I'd like to see Genghis more than him )

 

[Guandao]

Ashurbanipul (27+1)=28 I'm ok with him reappearing for a second time, since Assyria only first appeared in Civ5. He's perfect for the Agenda system of Civ6.
Gajah Mada (16-3)=13 Firaxis already portrayed him right, so why do it again in the game after Civ5, especially with a style that'll probably caricature his weight. I would like to see someone else lead Indonesia, like Hayam Wuruk, or Tribhuwana.
Pachacuti 29

Shaka will always be an Amalembe!

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ashurbanipul 28
Gajah Mada 13-3=10 - He is an interesting leader, but Indonesia has more leaders to offer...
Pachacuti 29+1=30 - Incans need to return, and I hope the Earth-Shaker will get a more fearsome VA.

 

[Guandao]

Ashurbanipul (28+1)=29 Preparing him for the inevitable showdown with Pachacuti. He can represent Assyria again, for a second time (even if Firaxis also portrayed him right the first time).
Gajah Mada (10-3)=7 Third place is good enough for the Elephant General. I think Firaxis got him right the first time, and so should portray someone else as Indonesia's leader.
Pachacuti 30

 

[Siptah]

Ashurbanipul 30 (29+1) In a race between Pachakutiq and Assurbanipal, I'd always go with the Assyrian guy.
Gajah Mada 7
Pachacuti 27 (30-3) Second place is good for him. He seems to be a second place guy anyway, right?

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ashurbanipul 30-3=27 - I'd definitely like Assyria and him to return, but I don't think I lack them as much as Pachacuti/Incans. He can wait.
Gajah Mada 7
Pachacuti 27+1=28 - I need someone else than Pedro II and Qin Shi Huang to annoy me in my games. Also, SA has only one Civ so far, and that should be fixed.

 

[Guandao]

Ashurbanipul (27+1)=28 To make him equal to Pachacuti, and I'm ok with his return.
Gajah Mada (7-3)=4 Third place is good enough for the Elephant General. There are still other choices for Indonesian leader.
Pachacuti 28