He likes huge Empires in general. There is nothing about conquest of enemy cities in his agenda. The only leader that has something about conquering cities is John Curtin, who dislikes when you occupy enemy cities.
Elimination Thread-Returning Civ 5 Leaders
- Thread starter Guandao
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Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
Ashurbanipul 24
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka (20+1)=21 I see no better choice than Shaka when it comes to Zulu leaders.
Suleiman (26-3)=23 Ottomans can return but not with Suleiman as leader.
I'm not up for a repeat of him. The point of this game is to vote for the leaders you want to return to Civ6, not the Civ. 
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka (20+1)=21 I see no better choice than Shaka when it comes to Zulu leaders.
Suleiman (26-3)=23 Ottomans can return but not with Suleiman as leader.
I'm not up for a repeat of him. The point of this game is to vote for the leaders you want to return to Civ6, not the Civ. 
Morningcalm
Keeper of Records
Ashurbanipul 24 + 1 = 25 (Definitely one of the biggest personalities of ancient antiquity.)
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 21
Suleiman 23 - 3 = 20 (Better in Age of Empires III than in any Civ incarnation thus far. I'm not confident Firaxis can give him the majesty he deserves.)
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 21
Suleiman 23 - 3 = 20 (Better in Age of Empires III than in any Civ incarnation thus far. I'm not confident Firaxis can give him the majesty he deserves.)
Ashurbanipul 25
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 21-3=18 - Known for his wars, tactics and military reforms. In the game, he would be just another generic warmonger like Gorgo or Alexander. I think he isn't so necessary in game.
Suleiman 20+1=21 - He was probably the best Sultan in the Ottoman history. He can have something with policies, given that he created a code of laws that survived for about 400 years. Also, if he would return, Ottomans would, and in my opinion, Ottomans are interesting.
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 21-3=18 - Known for his wars, tactics and military reforms. In the game, he would be just another generic warmonger like Gorgo or Alexander. I think he isn't so necessary in game.
Suleiman 20+1=21 - He was probably the best Sultan in the Ottoman history. He can have something with policies, given that he created a code of laws that survived for about 400 years. Also, if he would return, Ottomans would, and in my opinion, Ottomans are interesting.
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
Ashurbanipul 25
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka (18+1)=19 He may be just another warmonger, but he is a Civ staple.
Suleiman (21-3)=18 I don't need him to return for the third time. Give another Ottoman Sultan a chance.
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka (18+1)=19 He may be just another warmonger, but he is a Civ staple.
Suleiman (21-3)=18 I don't need him to return for the third time. Give another Ottoman Sultan a chance.
Elizabeth I is also a Civ staple, and do you see her anywhere?
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
Elizabeth I is also a Civ staple, and do you see her anywhere?
The Zulus have only one notable ruler, Shaka, and have appeared in every main Civ game.
England can survive in the games without Elizabeth I, but the Zulus can't without Shaka.
It seems like you want to make Suleiman a Civ staple?
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And why not? Ottomans already sorta became Civ staple, and Suleiman was their most notable leaderThe Zulus have only one notable ruler, Shaka, and have appeared in every main Civ game.
England can survive in the games without Elizabeth I, but the Zulus can't without Shaka.
It seems like you want to make Suleiman a Civ staple?
We can't have only old staples like Nuke-happy Gandhi or Warmongering jerk Alexander, some new have to come, too 
Morningcalm
Keeper of Records
Ashurbanipul 25 + 1 = 26 (The most awesome leader on this list, at least in Civ V, and his agenda is rather obvious and fitting for VI.)
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 19
Suleiman 18 - 3 = 15 (While I like this Turkish Santa Clause, I can't take him very seriously as the powerful man he was. Another sultan might do better in conveying dignity and might.)
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 19
Suleiman 18 - 3 = 15 (While I like this Turkish Santa Clause, I can't take him very seriously as the powerful man he was. Another sultan might do better in conveying dignity and might.)
Ashurbanipul 26
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 19-3=16 - He would be just another generic warmonger. I'm not interested in his return right now. Zulu Civ isn't a big priority to me.
Suleiman 15+1=16 - I still think he would make a great leader for the Ottomans. And I think he could get a better voice...
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 19-3=16 - He would be just another generic warmonger. I'm not interested in his return right now. Zulu Civ isn't a big priority to me.
Suleiman 15+1=16 - I still think he would make a great leader for the Ottomans. And I think he could get a better voice...
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
Ashurbanipul 26
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka (16+1)=17 My current games are too peaceful (for some strange reason, everyone is making Declarations of Friendship with each other), more warmongers are welcome! Also, I think Shaka is the only good leader choice for the Zulus.
Suleiman (16-3)=13 I still think another Ottoman Sultan should be the Civ6 leader. Plus Suleiman is also a warmonger (especially in Civ5), but I want someone else to lead the Ottomans now.
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka (16+1)=17 My current games are too peaceful (for some strange reason, everyone is making Declarations of Friendship with each other), more warmongers are welcome! Also, I think Shaka is the only good leader choice for the Zulus.
Suleiman (16-3)=13 I still think another Ottoman Sultan should be the Civ6 leader. Plus Suleiman is also a warmonger (especially in Civ5
), but I want someone else to lead the Ottomans now.
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He maybe is a warmonger, but being also a lawgiver, he is not a generic warmongerSuleiman (16-3)=13 I still think another Ottoman Sultan should be the Civ6 leader. Plus Suleiman is also a warmonger (especially in Civ5
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
He maybe is a warmonger, but being also a lawgiver, he is not a generic warmonger
What kind of Agenda/or Leader Ability can we create based on lawgiving? Social Policies? Not exactly exciting stuff to me. Firaxis basically gives extra policy slots to certain Civs.
I have to admit, I'm not exactly sure. But I guess that Firaxis can be creative, when they brought an entirely new Culture Bombs with Poland
Maybe changing policies without paying gold or something like that could make his ability?
Morningcalm
Keeper of Records
Ashurbanipul 26 + 1 = 27 (Clear agenda, clear ability. Fearsomely portrayed in V (with a well-animated beard and magnificent music). I think Firaxis could do well to make him return. After all, they will need to develop leaders that can become iconic on the scale of Gandhi or Alexander in Civ, and why not start with this mighty ruler?)
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 13 - 3 - 10 (For lawgivers, Justinian or Napoleon would make more sense IMO, or even Ur-Nammu. Suleiman was a great leader, but he's a generic type of great conqueror and administrator in the style of Civ V's "paragon" leaders, without much of a clear agenda I would say. He did everything well, which makes it tough to find a great agenda or ability for him.)
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 7
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 13 - 3 - 10 (For lawgivers, Justinian or Napoleon would make more sense IMO, or even Ur-Nammu. Suleiman was a great leader, but he's a generic type of great conqueror and administrator in the style of Civ V's "paragon" leaders, without much of a clear agenda I would say. He did everything well, which makes it tough to find a great agenda or ability for him.)
conorbebe
King
Ashurbanipul 24 (27 - 3) The least visually iconic of the leaders remaining :>
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8 (7 + 1) He just looks too good in his mahiole and 'ahu 'ula to not make a return.
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 10
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8 (7 + 1) He just looks too good in his mahiole and 'ahu 'ula to not make a return.
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 17
Suleiman 10
zhivik
Chieftain
Ashurbanipul 24
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 14 (17-3) Shaka is really getting old, we already have Aleander as a warmonger, don't need another along the same line
Suleiman 11 (10+1) Not a bad idea, he did bring the Ottoman Empire to a golden age
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 14 (17-3) Shaka is really getting old, we already have Aleander as a warmonger, don't need another along the same line
Suleiman 11 (10+1) Not a bad idea, he did bring the Ottoman Empire to a golden age
Ashurbanipul 24
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 14-3=11 - He may be a Civ staple, but he would be another generic warmonger, and I don't think another generic warmonger is really needed. He can wait. Also, while Zulu would fill a gap still quite missing in game, it's not as needed as SE Asian Civ, Polynesian Civ, Another American Civ or an important or feared Empire that had territories in three continents.
Suleiman 11+1=12 - Sure, compared to Zulu, Ottomans have more notable leaders, but Suleiman is arguably the most significant Ottoman leader, that's one thing. The second thing, unlike Shaka, he isn't a generic warmonger. He was also a lawgiver, and he brought the Ottoman empire to a golden age. He should survive to at least top five.
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8
Pachacuti 25
Shaka 14-3=11 - He may be a Civ staple, but he would be another generic warmonger, and I don't think another generic warmonger is really needed. He can wait. Also, while Zulu would fill a gap still quite missing in game, it's not as needed as SE Asian Civ, Polynesian Civ, Another American Civ or an important or feared Empire that had territories in three continents.
Suleiman 11+1=12 - Sure, compared to Zulu, Ottomans have more notable leaders, but Suleiman is arguably the most significant Ottoman leader, that's one thing. The second thing, unlike Shaka, he isn't a generic warmonger. He was also a lawgiver, and he brought the Ottoman empire to a golden age. He should survive to at least top five.
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue, Hlai and Langkasuka
Ashurbanipul 24
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8
Pachacuti 25
Shaka (11+1)=12 Shaka is the only good leader choice for the Zulus. And I think the game could use some more "generic" (whatever that means) warmongers.
Suleiman 12-3=9 Nope to third consecutive appearance of Suleiman in a Civ game. I want another Ottoman Sultan, maybe Mehmed the Conqueror.
Gajah Mada 18
Kamehameha 8
Pachacuti 25
Shaka (11+1)=12 Shaka is the only good leader choice for the Zulus. And I think the game could use some more "generic" (whatever that means) warmongers.
Suleiman 12-3=9 Nope to third consecutive appearance of Suleiman in a Civ game. I want another Ottoman Sultan, maybe Mehmed the Conqueror.
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