Elton John, David Furnish, and baby Lev

[Left]

It has nothing to do with class conflict. Do you or do you not agree that the law should apply to everyone equally regardless of how rich they are? If they want to help kids so much maybe they should donate half of their vast, vast fortune to all orphanages in Ukraine, instead of one kid who caught their eye. Please.

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So maintain the status quo of a failed state because a rich guy wants to change the rules?? Its a failed policy and a poor child suffers. Pretty low to criticize the guys charity too.
PS: Hes already down benefits for orphanages.

 

[MobBoss]

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So maintain the status quo of a failed state because a rich guy wants to change the rules?? Its a failed policy and a poor child suffers. Pretty low to criticize the guys charity too.
PS: Hes already down benefits for orphanages.

Do you have a reply for this post left? http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=8490420&postcount=55

Surely, even you can agree that not all candidates are good candidates simply because they are famous and have money...

 

[Left]

I don't really, you dug up dirt on Elton John. I would think an adoption agency would have the final say on his behavior instead of a bunch of internet gossip.
Not much to reply too.

Sincerely I think it is awful that you had an abusive father but also it is very unfair to project that on someone you've never met.

 

[MobBoss]

I don't really, you dug up dirt on Elton John. I would think an adoption agency would have the final say on his behavior instead of a bunch of internet gossip.
Not much to reply too.

Sincerely I think it is awful that you had an abusive father but also it is very unfair to project that on someone you've never met.

Background checks and such things absolutely should be part of an adoption agencies check on prospective parents.

Internet gossip? Unless you think what I posted are outright lies about him (they are not - much of it is self-admitted by him) then I dont think its unfair at all to consider that behavior. Lifetime issues with addiction and proven mood swings may be expected of a rock star but are not condusive to good parenting.

Theres plenty to reply to, you simply cant because it destroys the arguement that he should be allowed to adopt. Remove the name Elton John, and all of a sudden his background, personality, and track record of substance abuse dont put him in a very good light as a prospective adoptive parent. You wouldnt consider someone nameless of the street with those issues as an adoptive parent, and you make concessions for Elton John simply because of his fame and money.

Thats about it.

 

[Left]

So we agree that a real adoption agency could judge him to be fit or unfit much better than you or I.

besides its not Elton John fame that I like, its that his fame that brought this story to media attention anyway, If it were anyone else we wouldn't here about it. The thing is his obviously has the resources to better care for the child and a well-intentioned law isn't serving the interests of a child by denying even the possibility of consideration of Elton John as a parent, and in all likelihood the kid isn't going to live very long.

 

[MobBoss]

So we agree that a real adoption agency could judge him to be fit or unfit much better than you or I.

Well, isnt the point of the story that such an agency has indeed found him unfit?

Do you agree that they did so much better than you?

besides its not Elton John fame that I like, its that his fame that brought this story to media attention anyway, If it were anyone else we wouldn't here about it.

Precisely correct.

The thing is his obviously has the resources to better care for the child and a well-intentioned law isn't serving the interests of a child by denying even the possibility of consideration of Elton John as a parent, and in all likelihood the kid isn't going to live very long.

Well, you actually have no idea how long the kid is going to live.....or how long Elton John will live for that matter.

And I say again, considering a parent needs to be more than simply considering 'resources'. Its not all about the money, nor should it be. Someone with a long history of struggle with drug abuse, alcohol abuse, and other issues simply shouldnt be considered as a prime candidate simply because they have 'resources'.

 

[RedRalph]

Left, if they change the law and it fits him and Furnish to adopt, I have no problem with it. I dont know what country you are talking about but Ukraine is nowhere near a failed state, and the law is the law is the law. What next, rich criminals get off because they can afford to circumvent the law? happens already, doesn't mean its right. you do not apply the law differently to people on the basis of their wealh, and that should be absolutely non-negotiable.

 

[El_Machinae]

A law like that would be changed through the court system, if they're a common law country

 

[MobBoss]

A law like that would be changed through the court system, if they're a common law country

Not sure Elton John would actually pursue it however. He hiimself has admitted in the past that he wasnt that great a candidate to adopt a kid.

And as some have pointed out, why should the law be changed simply for one man, one instance?

 

[Miles Teg]

And as some have pointed out, why should the law be changed simply for one man, one instance?

Please Mobby, don't act deliberately obtuse when kids are involved. Laws get formed by precedent all the time in countries that use even a smidgen of common law. And yes, precedents are often just one case that gets sufficient publicity and attention.

For the record, while Poland's legal routes are mostly Continental civil law, they have a pretty strong judicial branch.

 

[MobBoss]

Please Mobby, don't act deliberately obtuse when kids are involved. Laws get formed by precedent all the time in countries that use even a smidgen of common law. And yes, precedents are often just one case that gets sufficient publicity and attention.

For the record, while Poland's legal routes are mostly Continental civil law, they have a pretty strong judicial branch.

Rofl, dont give me that 'sniff...think of the kids' craploa either. Thinking of the kids welfare is why the law exists in the first place. Kids shouldnt be like handbags that famous people pick up on a whim.

 

[Ecofarm]

If RRW and MB do not stop crushing everyone together, I'm gonna freak out.

This is a Batman and Robin (I'm not sure who is which) that was never meant to be. Someone stop the madness.

 

[Miles Teg]

If RRW and MB do not stop crushing everyone together, I'm gonna freak out.

This is a Batman and Robin (I'm not sure who is which) that was never meant to be. Someone stop the madness.

You've started cheerleading the oddest folks since you got back. And your ability to gauge the flow of the debate has suffered immensely.

 

[Shaihulud]

Rules should give way to exceptional circumstances, maybe Elton John is rich enough for it. All things considering, it would propably be better for everyone if the child was adopted, so I do not see the problem.

 

[RedRalph]

If RRW and MB do not stop crushing everyone together, I'm gonna freak out.

This is a Batman and Robin (I'm not sure who is which) that was never meant to be. Someone stop the madness.

I'm Christian Bale, he's Burt Ward

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Holy Common Sense, Molestro.

 

[RedRalph]

Holy Common Sense, Molestro.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

I don't really care either way anyway.

Elton John is an ex alcoholic and cocaine addict, but that didn't stop George Bush did it.

 

[MobBoss]

I'm Christian Bale, he's Burt Ward

I was thinking I was more of an Adam West kind of guy.

 

[MobBoss]

I don't really care either way anyway.

Elton John is an ex alcoholic and cocaine addict, but that didn't stop George Bush did it.

George Bush didnt ever try to qualify to adopt a kid did he?

And one is never really an 'ex' alcoholic or addict...

Rules should give way to exceptional circumstances, maybe Elton John is rich enough for it. All things considering, it would propably be better for everyone if the child was adopted, so I do not see the problem.

Again, with the idea that money fixes everything. Rofl, I just dont get some people.