Embassy to Team Sirius

I have just checked the team gmail and there is nothing in it - I was thinking we somehow missed a message from them, but the last time we spoke about this we made it clear we expect them to keep their agreement about ETTT.
 
Now that I am home I had time to think, I say we must defeat Merlot as planned. The attack on Q was no surprise. We knew that Sirius was amassing forces on Comet either to attack us or Q. The treaty with CDZ prevents us from alliances with Merlot. We stay focused, defeat Merlot and make our backdoor safe. Then we can focus our whole Army on our next foe.

Sirius is trying to claim all of Q lands for themselves, while we are occupied, but this will not work, as Q have Machine Guns, that will bog them down and kill off much of Sirius Army. We still have time to get rid of Merlot and join the fight when both Q and Sirius have severely weakened each others Army. Then we can pick what is best for us to do.
 
We still have time to get rid of Merlot and join the fight when both Q and Sirius have severely weakened each others Army. Then we can pick what is best for us to do.

Hmm.. not bad points, but I guess we will be lost few units with Merlots too.

We stay focused, defeat Merlot and make our backdoor safe. Then we can focus our whole Army on our next foe.
Agree.

Any word from CDZ?
 
Hmmm I spoke prematurely... Two new gmails from Sirius about 5 days ago... I dont know if this is because their gambit failed (we did not pick sides) or because Q slaved a bunch of Machine Guns (so they cant capture Q cities), or because they are losing the naval battle against the Q Ships of the Line...

Either way, it is clear that Sirius is scared to lose their units and they are being cautious. Maybe we can use this against them somehow down the road.

Hello,
One of us that wasn't following the diplomatic field that closely jumped the gun and rushed our attack on Q.
We just offered a 10 turn peace deal. It was a short skirmish.
Sorry about the screwup.

Also, Irgy has been busy so I'll be helping on the diplomacy while he's not able to.

Alltriia, on behalf of Team Sirius.

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Regards,
Team Sirius
How are things on the Merlot front? Can you give us an estimated deadline?

Alltriia, on behalf of Team Sirius.
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Regards,
Team Sirius
General 2metra, can you give them an estimated timeline? Or should we just remain quiet and let them guess about our intentions to stall them? Maybe they are worried about attacking Q before we commit all our forces to attacking Merlot? They might want to be sure that we will not interfere with their plans. We could tell them that we were confused by their premature invasion, but we still refused a tech trade with Q as per their wishes... this might solidify their friendship and love for us.:dunno:
 
Better yet, I sent them this:
Hello Sirian Friends,

We just noticed your message. We were very confused by your invasion of the Continuum and were not exactly sure how to react. We saw your actions as somewhat premature after our prior conversations. However, to be on the safe side, we still refused a tech trade with Q because of your earlier expressed wishes.

As we are basically in limbo now, please let us know what your intentions are towards Q. Obviously you intend to invade, but when exactly? You obviously have a plan in place that someone apparently botched a little, so please let us know so we can continue with our plans or adjust them accordingly. We also need to know how you would like us to deal with Q so we can discuss it ahead of time. Do you intend to continue tech trades with them or not? What about resource trades? Open Borders? We need all this info for our team discussion on how we will deal with them prior to your invasion.

Thanks and Good luck with your plans,

nabaxo, Special Envoy to Sirius
I'm not giving them any timeline for our invasion, but I am accusing them of lying to us and screwing up our invasion plan. I them demand to know what their doing with Q and when, as a condition of us telling them our plans. I expect that they will either not respond, or tell more obvious lies, which will be clues to their intentions.

Also, I just noticed that the note from Sirius says they offered peace. But 2metra I thought you said they were fighting with ships and you could tell from the powergraph. Can we confirm this? Can you see any wounded ships with out scout Galleon? And have Q accepted the peace deal or not?
 
I was going to check this myself, but I did not found the thread with the details and could not enter our gmail, so I was going to ask for a clarification, but I though those two messages you said was from 5 days ago.

The fighting took place around those 5 days, so either they sent them after they saw Q is strong enough to defend effectively, and just then they proposed this 10-turns peace, or Sirius indeed proposed peace, but Q attacked them anyway.

have Q accepted the peace deal or not?
Not as far as I can tell from the last turn. If those messages are 5 days old, it means that it was not accepted.

Personally I dont think someone will declare war at his own - to me this is absolute lie - how it is possible that their turnplayer which they refer to as "someone" even not saying his name - will de so away from the game, so that he will declare war at his own decission. Even more - I received in-game message saying "We declared war to Q. We cant wait any more. I am sure you will understand" Understand what?

About the peace treaty they offered Q, I think they either never offered it, or Q dont think it is good to take it.

I think the things went as follows:

- Sirius wants to use the momentum when Q army was destroyed and they have more army than them, and we have still about 10-15 turns of the SAP NAP and attack where it seems a weak spot
- Q manages to defend or attacks Sirius with hidden stack, inflicting them more damage
- Sirius sees that Q are not gonna die without a fight
- We are still not attacking MHI and our almost as strong as the whole Sirius army stays loaded in galleons just 3-4 turns away from Sirius Home Island.
-CDZ gives Q technology and Q starts to slave machine guns

So at this point Sirius have 2 problems - much tougher enemy that they though and an ally, who very soon is not going to be bind in NAP with them with strong army just seemingly waiting something. There two things combined sounded the alarm at Sirius and they decided to sound the retreat, as they dont know what might happen.

One thing I dont understand right now - how Sirius expect the other teams and Q will treat them when they broke the ETTT agreement? How the other will make deals with them when they know they broke their word once? And I am not talking about trying to find a back doors in the meaning of words or use tricks and politics in the shadow side of the law. They outright declared war to an actual ally. It was funny how they told us - it was just small skirmish." Skirmish? You declared war to an ally! It does not matter what damage is done to either sides. It is matter of principle. If they can call this just a "skirmish" it indicates how loose they look at such fundamental concepts as "ally". They lie about something. And they lie because they need to lie. Something is not right with them.

To be clear - I did not saw any ships damaged, neither I saw troops wounded - I made a guess that this is small scale sea battle, exactly because I did not saw any Sirius troops passing by land to Q territory, so if there was fight, it had to be in the sea. Also, it was small indication on the power graph - just like the ships show small on the graph.
 
Could sirus have slaved a bunch of units? That could have an similar power graph impact?

Diplomatic wise this could be great for us to acheive a 3v1 fight vs sirus. Q seems to be more effective in war than we thought. But CDZ is still awol.... so that is not great.
 
BTW, Sirius got Military Science and seemingly refused to give it to us. I noticed it when I logged in and they were proposing a Map Trade. I added Military Science to the trade and sent it back to them. As I expected, they havent given us Milit Sci, probably because they are waiting for us to pick sides or because they still think we are acting against them.

Either way, I think we are on our own techwise, at least until the SAP ends.

I would recommend against giving Sirius any Maps, info, or anthing else until we get some clarification on what their plans are. There are only 5-6 turns left in the SAP anyway so we will know what's what soon.
 
Could sirus have slaved a bunch of units? That could have an similar power graph impact?
Nope, it was a battle, I am sure.

Diplomatic wise this could be great for us to acheive a 3v1 fight vs sirus. Q seems to be more effective in war than we thought. But CDZ is still awol....
Last time I was in the game, one of the CDZ players logged in, I tried to said him just "hi" and to try to get some info from him. He left so quick, that I could not write him 1 line. It seems they are avoiding us?? :(
 
Woop, a new email from Sirius:
Dear Amazonian Friends,

We declined your recent map exchange offer, as we would like to discuss the current situation and where we go from here concerning technology sharing and resource trades.

First off, regarding Quatronia: What's your stance with them? We think that an embargo might be effective as we're thinking of using the same espionage tactics that you used with Merlot. We do not however want to put you in a position where you feel you must compromise your integrity regarding your relationship to to them (ETTT is still in effect, and apparently nobody was voted out to date). Do you know CDZ's inclination on the matter?
If I remember correctly, your primary concern was that Quatronia would take ETTT's techs and flip to M&M.

How are things on the Merlot front? We've seen your recruiting efforts some turns ago and got a bit confused but today we just noticed Merlot score decrease. Is that your doing? We might be in the middle of something ourselves, but I don't think it does any harm asking if you need some help.

This is just a short letter as we might need to volley the ideas a bit more.
You seem open to continue with our pact. Are you interested in extending it?

Waiting a speedy reply,

Alltriia, on behalf of Team Sirius.
 
This last message is just more stalling and more BS. The last message we sent them already answerd all those questions. We already told them that our plans were on hold until we heard from them what their plans were. We also told them that we were holding off on trading with Q until we heard from them what their plans for Q were.

All they are doing now, is just basically retrying to get us to say when we will invade Merlot so they know when our main Army is occupied and we are defensless against them and powerless to help Q. So we are most certainly not telling them this, especially after they refused to share tech with us. That way they have the minimum amount of turns to act before we have our Army back in position on Starland.

Their refusal to give us Milit Sci is a violation of the ETTT and the SAP, but so was our refusal to give Q Econ. At this point I would say our best bet is to go ahead and trade Milit Sci with Q and tell Sirius that we have to trade with Q for it since they refused us. Plus we are obligated under ETTT and we were only waiting to hear from them. Since they are being enigmatic, we just went ahead and traded with Q.

Or Maybe we should just ignore them for now until Merlot is dead and our Army is back on Marthaton. However, knowing them, they would probably interperet that as hostility, so maybe a short response is best. Our goal is to keep their Army frozen on Comet until after we defeat Merlot. If others think that we should say something then here is a response. If not, then just ignore them for now as they dont seem inclined to give us any info. Anyway here is the draft:

NOTE: This has NOT been sent - nabaxo, can you send this if folks (2metra and damnrunner mainly) think we should?

EDIT,: message sent
Sirian Friends,

We noticed that you declined to share Military Science with us. We would like to remind you that both the ETTT and the SAP require you to share tech with us upon request, and the fact that the SAP is close to expiration is not the same as the SAP actually being expired. At any rate, as you correctly point out, we are still obligated under the ETTT to share tech with Quatronia and since you are no longer abiding by either the ETTT or the SAP we are forced to obtain Military Science from them.

You asked our stance regarding Quatronia, Merlot and CDZ. In our last letter to you, we made it clear that as a result of your premature attack on Quatronia we are in limbo with regard to the other teams. As we told you in our last letter, we have been waiting to hear specifically what your plans are regarding Quatronia before we are able to convey any of our plans regarding the other teams. On the other hand, it is understandable that you would wish to know our plans while keeping yours secret, and so it seems we are currently at an impasse. Obviously you intend to elimminate Quatronia, and we intend to elimminate Merlot. It seems we must wait until these goals are accomplished before we can engage in further coordination.

Acting outside our treaties towards Q, is one thing, but clearly acting this way towards us is quite another. We have some internal discussion going on about ways to structure our next pact or extension to account for the current scenario where our Sirian friends decide to disregard a treaty before it is actually over. We will work on this and get back to you as soon as possible.

nabaxo, Special Envoy to Sirius
Again, I am not sure whether we should send this or just keep quiet, but the letter does explain why we are not exactly jumping at the chance to re-extend our treaty with proven treaty-breakers:rolleyes:
 
the letter does explain why we are not exactly jumping at the chance to re-extend our treaty with proven treaty-breakers
Very, very good said.

Acting outside our treaties towards Q, is one thing, but clearly acting this way towards us is quite another.
ways to structure our next pact or extension to account for the current scenario where our Sirian friends decide to disregard a treaty before it is actually over
Right to the point! Outstanding speach, Captain :bowdown:
 
Ah, we hope that once the main Merlot army is dead, we can take their cities in rapid succession - say 2-3 turns for all of them.
 
Might we even be able to take the cities and bring back the bulk of our army to the mainland before they even notice?

Hahahah! would be great!

BTW, I did something like this already - moved our wounded rifles from the first stack on the galleons, so they will be in Central Starland in 2 turns so we will be not defenseless at all if something goes wrong. I decided we have enough army on MHI to finish the Merlots off.

About the message, I say we to send it, as keeping silence is not good at all - they will anyway think about us as hostile, but they will think that we have no balls too.

I think saying our position clear and loud is the way we to go.
 
I agree, especially since Sirius just got Sci Meth, we must have that immediately so we can see the Oil. Also L. Parkin is a known tray breaker but he is sensitive about it. He likes to break deals at opportune times but understandably, he hates to be known as a treaty- breaker. Most people are like that. So calling them out as treaty breakers might influence them to abide by the treaties until they are actually over, ie give us Sci Meth.

We should send the message right away to give them time to read it before we demand the tech from them. Also it will make them think twice about teching anymore.

Nabaxo can you PM them that they have Gmail from us?
 
In addition to that, for the normal people having the moral on our side will have its role. Who have the right is not absolutely meaningless ;)
 
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