LifeOfBrian
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White Tower is considerably too strong, so if changes were to be made to England, I'd start there.
Her ability to steal techs from turn 1 alone is an insane thing. I tend to focus on production and growing buildings in the early stage and typically fall behind in techs. Easily catching up this deficit by sending a spy in a capital and get a free tech every 5-10 turns is in my eyes a bit too powerful. If I compare this UA with Ethiopias, you can steal more techs in the early game than getting techs as Ethopia in the entire game. I didnt played a game with the new england to its full length, but I agree with CrazyG, that England is atleast in human hands one of the top nations. I think playing a tall Tradition England on a huge map where you get a lot of extra spies by Statecraft and Freedom, end with a nation full of stolen GW and CS.England used to be the catch-up queen. Once she hit Navigation she would explode in power, and I think that's an important thing to preserve for England as a power curve and roleplaying mechanic. I think Ship of the Line does this well, but White Tower is ruining the power curve by keeping England too strong too consistently and too early. If something has to be nerfed I know exactly where I would make the cuts.
Options:
Push white tower back 1 tech level
lower white tower's numbers
Reduce the city defense to +5
nerf the on-empire building bonuses to 2 on armory/castle/constabulary.
Maybe drop the crown jewels entirely... Even though that was super flavorful
I think the base lenght is a bit too short, atleast for England.Maybe the base tech stealing rate needs to be lengthened, and then Constabulary/police station/Intelligence Agency need to have their rates reduced?
Or maybe levels need to not affect speed quite so much?
Also SOTL makes the rest of UUs a joke in combination with the extra movement from the UA .... starting with logistics proved to be dangerous and the land counterparts Chu-Ku-Nu and Slinger got that promotion swapped for another one; it becomes obsolete only when battle ship comes online, from compass in the renaissance era till electronics in the atomic era, even after you unlock cruisers it's way more effective to produce SOTL and upgrade them than producing vanilla cruisers.
Yes, I do the same, no need to focus on science buildings. Simply researching the top of the tech tree while stealing all bottom techs from the warmongers. Theoretically, this could be also the UA of China, nobody would think it would fit to England.With England, I neglect my early game Science and just keep up with Tech Stealing. This let's me focus elsewhere. I put huge emphasis on Production as I know my SOTL's will gain me a huge advantage in Renaissance.
Theoretically, this could be also the UA of China, nobody would think it would fit to England.
Back to game balance: would it possible to have your spies be less efficient (like a constabulary, Bletchley Park, or the policy Empiricism (rationalism) does) until you build the White Tower?
With Cultural Revolution (Order ideology) your spy steal rate becomes more effective. I assume you can therefore make a global penalty on your tech stealing rate as well.
This would slow you down a bit in the early stage, while you become the true spy master in the second part of the game. White Tower can still be nerfed a bit.
Perfidious Albion is based around diplomatic behavior, but not around stealing technologies or Great Works.England, on the other hand, has always been a rather untrustworthy ally to any continental country, especially after they fully secured Great Britain. For a long period they had to choose between an army and a navy, and choose the navy, so they were happily to blockade, while the continental allies were doing the fighting. They also were masters in abusing internal politics in the independent countries that soon would become their colonies. Also, their spying and code breaking efforts in WW2 are well documented, and you can see the tremendous amount of money and effort they put into it. Finally: Brexit.