English football thread no 2

[Lambert Simnel]

What a load of tripe!
"Goodjob" would suggest a good job, and you'd be hard pressed to find anybody who doesn't think establishing a 10 point lead in the Premiership is a good job.

It's a big smiling face, and a large thumbs up. You're quite right - how could anyone interpret that as being pleased ?


On whether you are virulently anti-ManYoo, we had:

Truth is, you know I just don't like Man Utd.

and then we have

Rubbish. There do exist a number of posts that aren't too complimentary towards Man Utd. That's about it though.

Well, whatever. You've clearly little idea of how forcefully (and also, on occassion, quite rudely) your posts come across. I'd suggest most readers would see some level of bias and strong dislike after reading your set of posts on the first Arsenal-ManU league game this season, your comments about van Nistelrooy, and the odd throwaways you put in at the end of posts, say on the Tottenham "goal" or United's Champions league chances.

All of which are fine, by the way - it's good to have a range of views. But don't expect me to believe that you don't hate ManU.


Next Up: A thread from Phoenix where he reminds everyone how much he admires the English rugby team, and how they were fine and deserving winners of the World Cup....

 

[phoenix_night]

It's a big smiling face, and a large thumbs up. You're quite right - how could anyone interpret that as being pleased ?

How blatantly are you working from a conclusion here?

This is pathetic. It's the "good job" smilie. It's not the smile smilie, nor the big grin smilie. Even in your last post you acknowledged what it was.

But don't expect me to believe that you don't hate ManU.

From the last page: "I just don't like Man Utd". Good work, Sherlock.

Next Up: A thread from Phoenix where he reminds everyone how much he admires the English rugby team, and how they were fine and deserving winners of the World Cup....

Actually, I think I'll allow my next post to be written by a monkey. A monkey smoking a cigar, and on skates.

It'll receive the same response no doubt. It's not as if people around here read posts.

 

[phoenix_night]

your comments about van Nistelrooy

In agreement with most of the country! Are you telling me he doesn't dive? Wasn't guilty of violent conduct against Arsenal? Whether or not you like Man Utd is irrelevant!

and the odd throwaways you put in at the end of posts, say on the Tottenham "goal"

Conveniently ignoring the second post on that topic. Why try and falsify reasons?

Besides, if you don't think Man Utd get a good deal with officials read this.

or United's Champions league chances.

Do you realise that more than half the voters reckoned Man Utd favourites against Milan? Yet apparently I'm the one with the bias in this instance...hmm.

 

[Mega Tsunami]

I live in Cardiff. I support Cardiff. Stop spamming up this thread was slanderous personal insults or piss off elsewhere.

I’ll stop spamming up this thread about your Chelsea allegiance once you have stopped spamming up the thread with your anti-United drivel. How can someone as rude, infantile and nasty as you complain about alleged slander[sic]? Pots calling kettles black doesn’t come anywhere near it. Just grow up. The anti-United stuff you go on (and on and on) about should remain on the school playground where it belongs.

 

[phoenix_night]

@Mega Tsunami,
I should report that.

It's once more rubbish. Take a look at the post that sparked off this "infantile" and "nasty" string of posts from you.

There was no "anti-United drivel" leading into this. I'm not stupid enough to believe there was, and anybody who can read can check it for themselves.

Why don't you? Maybe get a better idea of what's actually going on...

 

[Mega Tsunami]

Quit living in the past
How many Man Utd fans here are from Manchester
Truth is, you know I just don't like Man Utd. Hence my mocking of your glory boy club last season
fat scouse git,
Conclusive proof that Man Utd are bloody dirty cheats.
Note: I am not seriously claiming the linesman had benefitted financially from his "mistake", or that Carroll should have made it known just how rubbish he is
England were rubbish and Rooney is an idiot who should go and start a fight with someone off the football field.
Why do people still look at the name ("Manchester United") and not the team itself? (rubbish).
For the record, I'd never ever ever play Van Nistelrooy...bloody cheat.
The next generation of glory hunters will have to look elsewhere.
It was definitely not a penalty. Rooney's just another Moan U cheat.
I love Man Utd being 7th. Happy days
a) Keane, Scholes and Giggs are past their peaks.
b) Henry/Reyes are better than any Man Utd combination (Or would you say Smith & Saha?...wouldn't surprise me).
c) Van Nistelrooy's "challenge" on Cole was disgraceful, deserving at least the three match ban he was given.
d) Man Utd are the lowest scorers in the top half of the Premier League.
e) Man Utd are still suffering the goal keeping problems they have done for years. There is no established number one and both keepers have played themselves out of the team in the past season.
f) When the league table prior to the Man Utd v Arsenal match placed Utd 11 points behind the leaders, it was fair to assume that Man Utd would not catch both Arsenal and Chelsea - and win the league.
g) If the foul was given on Freddie Ljungberg (by Rio Ferdinand), Ferdinand would have been sent off...mainly because those are the rules. It would have had an effect on the game.
h) Rooney dived.

I have found the above anti-united drivel which all in all takes up a large percentage of this thread over the period I looked. And I have only gone back a couple of months! I could find lots lots more.
If someone had posted a few of the above, fine. It’s the sheer quantity that is staggering.

I don’t know if you heard – Man United are paying for Wayne Rooney to take an anger management course. Do you know if Abramoviche's billions will stretch to anti-united management courses for their army of Chelsea Glory Boys?
Because you are in serious need of one.

 

[Mega Tsunami]

Besides, if you don't think Man Utd get a good deal with officials read this.

Edit: refers to this.

Err, at the end of this report it says that there is probably no advantage to United.

It says: United have a good penalty ratio but it says nothing about the most important factor for this, namely United spend more time in the opposition’s penalty area than vice versa. Ruud has (I believe) scored all his goals from inside the penalty area.

On the other hand, there is one stat they can prove – that United get more decisions on the rest of the park against them than against the opposition.

My unbiased conclusion therefore is that United might well be the ones hard done by.

 

[Lambert Simnel]

It says: United have a good penalty ratio but it says nothing about the most important factor for this, namely United spend more time in the opposition’s penalty area than vice versa.

There was a vaguely interesting point raised by (I think) Gordon Strachan a few moons ago about the different attacking styles of Man U and Arsenal - highlighting the slick interpassing and then a burst into the box which Arsenal often do (and which means most of the play is outside the box), against the close in chipping and short range passing which United appear to favour (meaning that much of the play is inside the box).

It doesn't mean that United don't get more than their fair share of penalties, but does mean that a simple statistical analysis may not reflect the real reasons for how the data lies.

 

[-0blivion-]

Chelsea held today.
I thought Man City were amazing. Solid defense really stifled Chelsea's attack with no Robben or Drogba. Magic save by James at the end.

Chelsea's formation did look less effective without Robben - the commentator mentioned possibly out for three months. I think today's game showed what a big player he is, and maybe worrying with him injured.

 

[phoenix_night]

So now you've apparently dropped the "Glory Boy" argument in favour of the "you don't like Man Utd" argument? Not a difficult thing to do considering I said this: "I just don't like Man Utd" yesterday.

"I have found the above anti-united drivel"
The majority of your quotes is one post of mine, an analysis which most - including yourself - agreed with on many points! What do you take issue with there? Rooney did dive didn't he? Man Utd were the lowest scorers in the top half of the league...Unquestionable facts you label as drivel, and include just to bulk up your "evidence"!

"Because you are in serious need of one." - I don't think I'm the one using personal jibes here. I think I'll keep it that way.

"Err, at the end of this report it says that there is probably no advantage to United." - No he doesn't. He said: "On these lesser, but hardly irrelevant, decisions, United are actually being punished by referees". Because we've all heard that saying "lesser decisions win matches", right?

"It says: United have a good penalty ratio but it says nothing about the most important factor for this, namely United spend more time in the opposition’s penalty area than vice versa" - Yes it does.

Here: "The stronger the team are, the better, on the whole, their penalty ratio will be. An attacking, winning team will tend to get a lot of penalties and concede few.

So our next step was to compensate for this. We used the strength of a team (as measured by their goalscoring and conceding) to predict what their penalty ratio ought to be."

Were you then not being entirely truthful, MT?

 

[Dell19]

We definately suffer from "e" but then so do Arsenal. Only Chelsea seem to actually have a good goalkeeper and somehow they managed find a good goalkeeper as backup.

However today Chelsea dropped points, they now have a critical injury and the fixture list is going to pile up again soon. There will be a two week period where everything can be lost and won and that will truely indicate how good Chelsea are.

 

[Mega Tsunami]

The majority of your quotes is one post of mine, an analysis which most - including yourself - agreed with on many points!

No they weren’t, they were from about a dozen different posts from you over a few months. When I got you to re-write that one piece of nonsense venom you are referring to, only then could I even answer your points! And I did not agree to everything – the word “cheat” for example.

Were you then not being entirely truthful, MT?

I read the following (did you?):

On these lesser, but hardly irrelevant, decisions, United are actually being punished by referees. Perhaps some sort of compensating mechanism is in place

Meanwhile:

Chelsea 0 t’other Mancs 0
West Ham 1 Cardiff 0

Not a good day for Chelsea Glory boys
A bad day for Cardiff fans
A terrible day for those who are both Chelsea Glory Boys and Cardiff supporters.

 

[Mega Tsunami]

Did anyone see the state of the Millenium pitch in the rugby this weekend? I read that the Football league is worried about the League Cup final due to be played in a few weeks time and are having meetings with the WRU to discuss the pitch. The WRU spent £650,000 in the summer on the pitch but apparently to no avail.
What is causing it? - Is it the roof and not enough open air above the pitch even when the roof is open? The sooner we get back to a decent stadium (ie Wembley) the better.

@phoenix_night – With your new team coming to town, I presume you will be going? Are there many Cardiff based Chelsea Glory boys?

PS Does anyone know if they are going to change the name of the Millenium stadium? I don’t know what you guys think but IMO it is a completely naff name. The word became naff in the 90s never mind about the 21st century.
For example, I have a kettle I bought in the 90s called a Millennium Kettle. Don’t get me wrong, it's a great kettle. I like the kettle. Boils water very quickly. Even looks good. Just a completely naff name.

 

[Oruc]

Nope!

 

[Mega Tsunami]

Sorry emu, I apologise to you and others. I would be happy to stop my tirades if PN stops his tirades. We have had to put up with the latter for a long, long time now.

 

[classical_hero]

After the performance by James today, could you say that he is what Englan needs for their goalkeeper. His performance against Chel$ki was magnificant. The save of Frank Lampard's shot has to be one of the best saves of all time, if not the best. How many teams can say they have taken four points off Chelsea this season. Only Man City can. Now they deserve this smiley.

 

[Dell19]

The problem is that whilst he has his good games he can also have bad days as well which is why he was dropped.

 

[Mega Tsunami]

Well no response from phoenix_night. If that means he has decided to stop having a go at me then I welcome that, I would be happy to stop having a go at him too. As mentioned previously, this bickering spoils this and other threads for other users. I apologise once again for that but the ball is entirely in his court. If he is willing to hang up his anti-MT handbag, I will be happy to hang up my anti-PN handbag.

Back on topic.
This is called clutching at straws (and small ones at that):
Will the Robben injury (he might to be out for up to 3 months) mean either United or Arsenal can catch Chelsea? Well probably not, but you never know. I am a great admirer of Mourinho (another mind games player in the Fergie and Wenger mould), but he has yet to come under pressure this season (much to his credit of course).
The first ***** I noticed recently was after the draw with Man City and being quizzed about Ashley Cole. He didn’t handle that too well.
A couple of bad results and maybe he won’t be the Mr Cool he has been so far. (Oh yes, and injuries to Cech, Terry and Lampard might be needed too )

Edit: Wow I had a commonly used non rude/non offensive word (in this context) asterisked out. If I had written “the first xxxx in his armour”, you would have known what I meant. I wasn’t swearing, honest.

 

[Lambert Simnel]

After the performance by James today, could you say that he is what Englan needs for their goalkeeper.

No.

His performance against Chel$ki was magnificant. The save of Frank Lampard's shot has to be one of the best saves of all time, if not the best.

A bit of hyperbole, me thinks. It was a very good save - I just didn't believe he could possibly have managed to get enough on it to push it away when I first saw it. Certainly a candidate for save of the season. All time ? Well, no...

And I think we've always known James can turn in very good performances - the problem is more that he lets enough howlers through (e.g. in the Austria game) that it can become difficult for the defenders to have confidence in him any more, and they then start playing differently to account for the possibility that he might well let a soft 40 yarder through his hands.

((Tchah. I've obviously been too affected by some of our recent exchanges in this thread. Please don't take the above comments as of the combative "you're obviously an idiot" type, but rather of the simple "I disagree" type))

 

[classical_hero]

No.



A bit of hyperbole, me thinks. It was a very good save - I just didn't believe he could possibly have managed to get enough on it to push it away when I first saw it. Certainly a candidate for save of the season. All time ? Well, no...

And I think we've always known James can turn in very good performances - the problem is more that he lets enough howlers through (e.g. in the Austria game) that it can become difficult for the defenders to have confidence in him any more, and they then start playing differently to account for the possibility that he might well let a soft 40 yarder through his hands.

((Tchah. I've obviously been too affected by some of our recent exchanges in this thread. Please don't take the above comments as of the combative "you're obviously an idiot" type, but rather of the simple "I disagree" type))

At least we have a goalkeeper of International standards.