Enlighten the curious: Lesbian and Misandry

[Mathilda]

Right.
First of all that comment in the babe thread wasn't directed just at you CG.
Classical Hero's first comment was insightful about men not getting the point of lesbians not being interested in tehm, but the discussion after taht was compleletly unnecessary for that thread.

I know quite a few lesbians personally and quite a lot about lesbian culture in general.

There is indeed a small separatist subculture. That means there is a number of lesbians who I guess you could say "hate" men. They act on it by trying to avoid all contact with, all discussion about and all references to men as far as possible. I've never met anyone like this personally, but know that they exist.

For that majority of lesbians I see no evidence in that they would hate men.
I only see positive relationships, be it with family, friends or collagues.

Where your idea may come from, other than grossly overdone stereotypes in cartoons is this:
Lesbians do have a different attitude to men from straight women, they are not trying to please men.
That doesn't mean they hate men, just that they live their lives on their own terms. THey don't dress or do their hair to please men, they don't act vulnerable or girly or giggly to be atrractive to men. They don't have to, they don't have any reason to.
So yes, they'll behave differently from straight women.
Does that mean they hate men? Absolutely not. Not any more than other men hate men.

Oh, apologies accepted
And not really needed anyway.

 

[Narz]

CivGeneral, I have perhaps "thrashed" you a bit in the past but I admire your efforts in self improvement. Generalizations can be good in some respects but when it comes to your fellow humans it is often better to assess them on a case by case basis.

There are black criminals and angry lesbians and feminine male homosexuals and Asian honor students but that means nothing about any individual man or woman who fits into one of those catagorys. It pays to remember that.

All the best to you.

Cheers,
Narz

 

[GenMarshall]

Right.
First of all that comment in the babe thread wasn't directed just at you CG.
Classical Hero's first comment was insightful about men not getting the point of lesbians not being interested in tehm, but the discussion after taht was compleletly unnecessary for that thread.

I was a bit confused on who's talking to who. But thanks for letting me know. .

I'll take a skeptic look and just cast it asside the next time the media shows that kind of steryotypeing.

Oh, apologies accepted
And not really needed anyway.

Thanks you.

I feel that this thread can have its burial now.

 

[El_Machinae]

Lesbians do have a different attitude to men from straight women, they are not trying to please men.

Sweet Lord, the world would be a better place if we could spread this meme around

 

[Yeeek]

Hm, i have a couple friends (well, ok only two) who are lesbians, and never felt like they "hated" men or were disguted by them. Though i can imagine it does exist. But surly it must be a very small minority.

I went with them once in a bar labelled as "lesbian" by the locals, and i thought i wouldn't be allowed in it, well, i guess i was wrong. It was interesting experience, all those gorgeous women, but not a single chance to date one!

 

[Shaihulud]

In Singapore, Thursday night is ladies night for most pubs,night clubs or dance hall, women generally getting free entries or perks. Curious thing is that lesbians or "seemingly lesbians" are debarred from entering many of this establishment with these privelleges. This is think is because they are people who are aware that lesbians are not interested in male, males usually outnumbering females on ladies night.

 

[C~G]

That means there is a number of lesbians who I guess you could say "hate" men. They act on it by trying to avoid all contact with, all discussion about and all references to men as far as possible. I've never met anyone like this personally, but know that they exist.

Some of the lesbians I know do hate men in terms that they are disgusted the way they show their sexuality and many of them see men trying to subdue women. Partly it's illusionary but partly it's reality.

Even though at least one of these lesbians has very close relationships with homosexual men so this all clearly has to do with the fact that the heterosexual men approach women in such way it makes some women rebel rather than they would hate men in overall.

I know lot's of heterosexual women who cannot stand certain type of men which might make look them as misantrophy. Then again some men are such that even when they are in steady relationship or engaged they look around for other women all the time and judge women whether they are ready to flirt with them or not. It's kind of insane that man who is engaged says about some woman that he sees that he doesn't like her just because she doesn't pay attention to him and looks too proud of herself. I find it at the same time quite amusing and disturbing.

Just recently I have met some woman who I had to convince very hard to make her believe that I just wanted to be her friend and didn't try to get her into my bed. It's very hard to be friends with young women these days because they assume quite instantly that if man approaches them they are only interested of getting laid, which in at least my case isn't just the truth. My taste with women is very specific and rest of them I can leave on their own or try to make friends with them.

It's extremely funny to speak with women who you have just met and after a while talking he somehow mentions "accidentally" her boyfriend in order to get me notified she isn't available. And this happens in all kinds of places. We seem to live in society that is overly sexual.

 

[ironduck]

I'm willing to bet that..

For every woman in this world that hates men there are at least 10 men that hate women.

These men may 'have sex' with women, but they still hate them.

 

[C~G]

These men may 'have sex' with women, but they still hate them.

That is indeed unfortunately very true.

And what is the worse part is that women think they can "cure" these men from this "disease".

Quite often they fail miserably, which should make them give up the idea but usually they just find another one they try to "cure".

The problem is that some women tend to relate feelings they feel to other people and think that man who she has sex with feels the same way while man doesn't necessarily feel nothing but physical gratification changing the whole idea of love-making into scene of obscene masturbation from the point of view of man at least.

 

[Mathilda]

Some of the lesbians I know do hate men in terms that they are disgusted the way they show their sexuality and many of them see men trying to subdue women. Partly it's illusionary but partly it's reality.

In my experience this attitude is quite temporary and after a while you just cease to care, just be amused by it.
I'm equally amused by straight women's behaviour in precence of men they find attractive.
Of course the subdueing part can be annoying if it happens in a professional setting, where you can't just ignore it.

I know lot's of heterosexual women who cannot stand certain type of men which might make look them as misantrophy. Then again some men are such that even when they are in steady relationship or engaged they look around for other women all the time and judge women whether they are ready to flirt with them or not.

This is not hatred towards men, just a specific type of men.

 

[Mathilda]

The problem is that some women tend to relate feelings they feel to other people and think that man who she has sex with feels the same way while man doesn't necessarily feel nothing but physical gratification changing the whole idea of love-making into scene of obscene masturbation from the point of view of man at least.

This is so true and so sad.

 

[The Last Conformist]

.
Classical Hero's first comment was insightful about men not getting the point of lesbians not being interested in tehm

This is amusing. I mean, being sexually disinterested in men is part of the frikken definition of lesbianism.

 

[classical_hero]

It seems that CivGeneral has gone Bi to curious.

 

[ironduck]

Better curious than dead..

 

[Methos]

Interesting subject…

A friend of mine is homosexual and I went out with him and a few of his friends a few times, once a lesbian couple went with us [btw, this was back in the late 90’s]. When the two lesbians found out I was straight they were downright rude to me the rest of the night. Prior to knowing I was straight they were friendly towards me. IMO this one instance was definitely misandry. I’m not saying all lesbians are that way, but these two were definitely that way towards me. Their attitude changed abruptly once they found out I was straight. Odd thing was, both “lesbians” were married to airmen in the Air Force, and both airmen were overseas. I’m not sure what definition of lesbian they are using. Bi-adulterers would be more appropriate IMO.

 

[Mr Moron]

You think lesbians would be more likely to hate lesbians more than anyone else, given the universal frustration associated with romatic relationships. Much in the same way many hetrosexual people find their own gender much less frustrating than opposite gender. No figuring this crazy world I guess, at least we haven't been hit by a big asteroid or some other piece of space junk yet. That has nothing to do with the rest of my post, I've always just been afraid of the idea of the world-ending metorite.

THey don't dress or do their hair to please men, they don't act vulnerable or girly or giggly to be atrractive to men.

You mean there are people there that don't that to be I-want-to-bash-my-own-head-into-a-brick-wall-repeadtly annoying? Ugh, some people have such poor taste.