[NFP] Ethiopia Pack Patch Notes Discussion

How is the leyline visible from turn 1? I thought you needed to be in the society to see them...

You wouldn't make a very good .. err.. whichever Society

He IS in that Society, on Turn 1, because he started pretty much next to a Natural Wonder and joined the Society.
 
Glad to finally see a fix for the GW Heist bug.

I don't like that the Secret Societies triggers are RNG. In my Ethiopia game I've only been able to clear 2 tribal villages despite having 2 scouts - no proc for Voidsingers. Whereas I got a Sanguine Pact proc when I cleared my first barb camp.

No other tribal villages in sight as my continent is quite crowded. I know there were more at some point as Jadwiga has the society.

Same thing happened to me. Playing Ethiopia, wanted Voidsingers, but it was a bad map generation and I wasn't able to discover them on my continent.
 
Soooo.....Is there anything particularly secretive about secret societies? It seems the information is as available as any other civ info.
 
Most changes are good, I like them.

I didn't expect any mayor fix or deep change out of the free patches, where the devs said balance changes will be an important focus, so I will not complain about that here.

However, I am dissapointed that the Apocalypse mode, the sootsayer exploit, or GC have not received any love.

Hopephully the new contemt is at least better balanced, and better polished than the last one.
 
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yeah, it's a bit lame how you can get like 4 free governour titles (in theory) early
Yeah I had curator Pingala by Medieval. :mischief:
 
It requires RnF because Kublai 100% leads Mongolia, and Mongolia is a RnF civ. He is likely to receive the Eleanor treatment to lead China as well, since that is a popular request in this forum.
Sorry, but that's wishful thinking, not logical.
 
Nice start for my first game with Ethiopia!

Interesting that when you trigger a Secret Society you get a standard governor title, you can use it on whoever you want e.g Magnus.

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Well, my concern is that choices make things interesting. Over the long-term, all these freebie governor promotions detract from having to make tough choices.

And there seems to be no double-edge here. There's no risk-to-reward, just reward. There's no investment to get into a society because we get in my just doing stuff we'd be doing anyways.

And again, they're not really secretive. There's no risk of dire consequence from being discovered, there's no expectations on the civ to adhere to a society's creed lest they be turned on.

Just....more goodies? Well, I'll give it a shot this weekend.
 
Sorry, but that's wishful thinking, not logical.

Correct. It's been speculated that Kubai could lead both. But I don't know that many of us are necessarily hoping that's the case.
 
But you need those extra titles for your SS Governor further down the line.
You want them. You don't need them.

Adding a governor doesn't necessarily mean showering the player with more promotions. Just means having another channel for choices.
 
Why does Rough Rider Teddy get two unique units (P-51 Mustang and Rough Rider), while Bull Moose Teddy only gets one?

If you want the Bull Moose Roosevelt, then he should get a unique naval unit, since President Roosevelt was a big proponent of a strong Navy and had them go on a tour of the world (The Great White Fleet). Bull Moose Teddy should have been given a Connecticut Class Battleship as a unique unit. Either that, or limit the P-51 Mustang to Bull Moose Teddy, so that each version of Roosevelt has the same number of unique units.

Like I mentioned in a previous thread, an aviation unique unit makes no sense for Roosevelt, while a Naval unique unit would make much better sense.
 
Why does Rough Rider Teddy get two unique units (P-51 Mustang and Rough Rider), while Bull Moose Teddy only gets one?

If you want the Bull Moose Roosevelt, then he should get a unique naval unit, since President Roosevelt was a big proponent of a strong Navy and had them go on a tour of the world (The Great White Fleet). Bull Moose Teddy should have been given a Connecticut Class Battleship as a unique unit. Either that, or limit the P-51 Mustang to Bull Moose Teddy, so that each version of Roosevelt has the same number of unique units.

Like I mentioned in a previous thread, an aviation unique unit makes no sense for Roosevelt, while a Naval unique unit would make much better sense.

Most leaders don't get a second unique unit. I don't see why Bull Moos Teddy should get one.
 
Why does Rough Rider Teddy get two unique units (P-51 Mustang and Rough Rider), while Bull Moose Teddy only gets one?

If you want the Bull Moose Roosevelt, then he should get a unique naval unit, since President Roosevelt was a big proponent of a strong Navy and had them go on a tour of the world (The Great White Fleet). Bull Moose Teddy should have been given a Connecticut Class Battleship as a unique unit. Either that, or limit the P-51 Mustang to Bull Moose Teddy, so that each version of Roosevelt has the same number of unique units.

Like I mentioned in a previous thread, an aviation unique unit makes no sense for Roosevelt, while a Naval unique unit would make much better sense.

I agree, I think the P-51 should be replaced by a minuteman or something. A unique plane is pretty useless
 
Why does Rough Rider Teddy get two unique units (P-51 Mustang and Rough Rider), while Bull Moose Teddy only gets one?

If you want the Bull Moose Roosevelt, then he should get a unique naval unit, since President Roosevelt was a big proponent of a strong Navy and had them go on a tour of the world (The Great White Fleet). Bull Moose Teddy should have been given a Connecticut Class Battleship as a unique unit. Either that, or limit the P-51 Mustang to Bull Moose Teddy, so that each version of Roosevelt has the same number of unique units.

Like I mentioned in a previous thread, an aviation unique unit makes no sense for Roosevelt, while a Naval unique unit would make much better sense.

P-51 Mustang is NOT unique unit for Bull Moose Teddy. He doesnt have unique unit.
 
Why does Rough Rider Teddy get two unique units (P-51 Mustang and Rough Rider), while Bull Moose Teddy only gets one?

If you want the Bull Moose Roosevelt, then he should get a unique naval unit, since President Roosevelt was a big proponent of a strong Navy and had them go on a tour of the world (The Great White Fleet). Bull Moose Teddy should have been given a Connecticut Class Battleship as a unique unit. Either that, or limit the P-51 Mustang to Bull Moose Teddy, so that each version of Roosevelt has the same number of unique units.

Like I mentioned in a previous thread, an aviation unique unit makes no sense for Roosevelt, while a Naval unique unit would make much better sense.
It's not as crazy as Frederick with a U-Boat.
The P-51 Mustang is America's UU so that's in no relation to Teddy whatsoever. Considering Bull Moose Teddy has nothing to do with combat I don't get why he would need a UU.
 
Most leaders don't get a second unique unit. I don't see why Bull Moos Teddy should get one.

I realize most leaders don't have two unique units, I was simply stating they should balance the two Roosevelt's. Either give both Roosevelt's two unique units, or give them each one. Its unbalanced to say one Teedy can have two uniques, while the other Teddy only gets to have one.

It's not as crazy as Frederick with a U-Boat.
The P-51 Mustang is America's UU so that's in no relation to Teddy whatsoever. Considering Bull Moose Teddy has nothing to do with combat I don't get why he would need a UU.

Bull Moose Tedyy is the politician version of Teddy Roosevelt, and Roosevelt the Politician was a big supporter of having a Robust Navy (he also served as assistant secretary of the Navy), hence my suggestion of a Naval unit like an early Connecticut Class Battleship.
 
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