Evidence for creationism, Part 2.

[Cu Chulainn]

The is no other possition of the moon that would cause such a spectical. Nor can I think of any other arangment of celstial bodies that would get close to the majesty of a total eclipse.

Arguments from personal incredulity aside, there is no inherent value to the proportions and spacing of various celestial bodies. That you find one particular arrangement pleasing is not evidence that there is a god.

 

[carlosMM]

the simple fact that complex life exists shows that the unlikely combination of celestial bodies required happens to exist. Nothing more, nothing less. it does not matter what the chances are; you can win a lottery with your first ever try.

:shrug:

 

[Samson]

the simple fact that complex life exists shows that the unlikely combination of celestial bodies required happens to exist. Nothing more, nothing less. it does not matter what the chances are; you can win a lottery with your first ever try.

:shrug:

You (probably) need a big moon for complex life to exist, but you do not have to have one that just covers the sun. That is what I built my probablility on.

 

[Brian Shanahan]

You (probably) need a big moon for complex life to exist, but you do not have to have one that just covers the sun. That is what I built my probablility on.

Actually we have no idea whether a big moon is neccessary. Ok in the specific case of this planet the moon is very helpful and probably shaped evolution in a significant way. But the example of us is purely anecdote at this moment, as we don't have any other examples of life out there.

For example the latest edition of Scientific American speculates that possible plant life on Gliese 581g could be a lot darker than our own, due to the planet being tidally locked to it's sun (i.e. having the same side facing all the time), and thus having to develop different photosynthesis strategies. IIRC until relatively recently it was assumed that even if a world were in the "goldilocks zone" tidal lock to the sun would kill all chances for life due to the big differences in climate. They now accept it can be possible, due mainly to finding life in what is considered the most inhospitable areas of the earth.

 

[negZero]

In the infinitely random universe something like a total eclipse is likely a common thing.

Its so common that Jupiter has one every single day with just one of its moons.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Argument from probability would be a fine argument, if only those using such an argument know of the vast amounts of time and the vast amounts of space there was in this universe.

Even if something had a 1 in a million chance every billion years in a star system, that's not even remotely impressive.

"Gosh it's like one in a million!" Is like saying such an "unlikely" event is guaranteed to happen at least a 100 billion times, every billion years or so, for 13.75 billion years.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Am I going to get my miracle that science can't explain away?

You'll get 15, and you'll deny them all most likely.

But here it is: http://carm.org/questions/about-jesus/cant-all-jesus-miracles-be-explained-naturally

Here you go. Do what you will.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

No, no no no no.

No.

Where's the evidence?

There's as much evidence for those supposed events as there is for Noah's Ark; namely, zero.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

any evidence against them

 

[useless]

None of those are actually VERIFIABLE and can NEVER BE PROVEN, thus they should not be taken as true. If you want to engage science on its own terms and prove that creationism is anything but a purely religious mish-mash of flat-world ideas (with the same logic) than you must use science.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

But... but....

Jesus said: "Love thy neighbor." (Matthew 22:39)
Elvis said: "Don't be cruel." (RCA, 1956)

Jesus is the Lord's shepherd.
Elvis dated Cybill Shepherd.

Jesus was part of the Trinity.
Elvis' first band was a trio.

Jesus walked on water. (Matthew 14:25)
Elvis surfed on water. (Blue Hawaii, Paramount, 1965)

Jesus' entourage, the Apostles, had 12 members.
Elvis' entourage, the Memphis Mafia, had 12 members.

Jesus was resurrected.
Elvis had the famous 1968 "comeback" TV special.

Jesus said, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink." (John 7:37)
Elvis said, "Drinks on me!" (Jailhouse Rock, MGM, 1957)

Jesus fasted for 40 days and nights.
Elvis had irregular eating habits. (e.g. 5 banana splits for breakfast)

Jesus is a Capricorn. (December 25)
Elvis is a Capricorn. (January 8)

Matthew was one of Jesus' many biographers. (The Gospel According to Matthew)
Neil Matthews was one of Elvis' many biographers. (Elvis: A Golden Tribute)

"[Jesus] appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow." (Matthew 28:3)
Elvis wore snow-white jumpsuits with lightning bolts.

Jesus lived in state of grace in a Near Eastern land.
Elvis lived in Graceland in a nearly eastern state.

Mary, an important woman in Jesus' life, had an Immaculate Conception.
Priscilla, an important woman in Elvis' life, went to Immaculate Conception High School.

Jesus made reference to a Canaanite woman, saying, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs." (Matthew 15:26)
Elvis made reference to a woman, saying "You ain't nothing but a hound dog."

Jesus was first and foremost the Son of God.
Elvis first recorded with Sun Studios, which today are still considered to be his foremost recordings.

Jesus was the lamb of God.
Elvis had mutton chop sideburns.

Jesus' Father is everywhere.
Elvis' father was a drifter, and moved around quite a bit.

Jesus was a carpenter.
Elvis' favorite high school class was wood shop.

Jesus wore a crown of thorns in the style of royalty.
Elvis wore Royal Crown hair styler.

No one knows if Jesus had a middle name.
No one was really sure if Elvis' middle name was "Aron" or "Aaron".

Jesus is often depicted in pictures with a halo that looks like a gold plate.
Elvis' face is often depicted on a plate with gold trim and sold on TV.

Jesus said: "Man shall not live by bread alone."
Elvis liked his sandwiches with peanut butter and bananas.

Jesus was regarded by some to have been an extraordinary prophet.
Elvis was regarded by some to have made an extraordinary profit.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

@ Paradigm shifter, that proves nothing and is rediculous

 

[ParadigmShifter]

That was the point.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Only the disciples saw this. Therefore, they fabricated the ascension.

1. It is possible that they lied, but then we are still stuck with explaining why they would lie, why they would continue in the lie, why they would preach and teach honesty and truth based upon a lie, why they would suffer persecution for a lie, and why they would die for a lie. It just doesn't make sense.

Explain the above.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Explain Glenn Beck.

 

[useless]

any evidence against them

Just a sidenote, that despite these "miracles" most were probably attributed to Apollonius of Tyana, and Jesus was hardly unique in that time, as with all "holymen" of that time, he had his fair share of "miracles".

Regardless, none of these can be proven scientifically and verified objectively.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

@ pshifter avoiding the question are you

 

[bathsheba666]

@ Paradigm shifter, that proves nothing and is rediculous

So, Paradigm Shifter and the bible have a lot in common.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

So, Paradigm Shifter and the bible have a lot in common.

how

 

[useless]

Explain the above.

Even if it was "true" this could literally be said of ANY other holyman from any number of religions, or of even the various "holy men" of Jesus' time which existed much like him. Jesus is not unique. And we cannot actually prove this ever happened.