Evidence for creationism

[Seon]

my textbook went on about adaptations, and embryo similarity as proof

But it is proof.

 

[History_Buff]

Your science textbook either gives you a lot better argument that just that, you are deliberately misrepresenting it or your textbook is a pile of foecal matter and needs to be replaced.

Well, if we can assume that CE is in America (nothing against you CE, just that just about anyone who thinks Evolution is wrong just so happens to be from America), then his textbook was probably printed in Texas. And if the news from Texas is to believed, then his textbook was in all likelihood hamstrung to support religious arguments.

 

[Seon]

IIRC CE is from Zimbabwe, it seems.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Im from America, ill have to check where my textbook is from. My school is very intolerant of creationism

Isn't Classical hero Australian, I know some people in Wales who are creationist (I know that they make a minority there), creationism is making some success outside the US

 

[Cynovolans]

Im from America, ill have to check where my textbook is from. My school is very intolerant of creationism

Isn't Classical hero Australian, I know some people in Wales who are creationist (I know that they make a minority there), creationism is making some success outside the US

I'm pretty sure creationism didn't start in the USA, and that it's on the decline in most of the developed (Western) world.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

outside of the western world its doing well ive heard, Id imagine its doing well in Africa

 

[Seon]

outside of the western world its doing well ive heard, Id imagine its doing well in Africa

But the stronghold of Creationism and Christianity was always the western world. It seems that its ancient stronghold of creationism is sinking into the pillars of salt it was built upon all this time eh?

Oooh ooooh it is doing well in AFRICA. What part of Africa? Zimbabwe? Oh WONDERFUL! Surely Zimbabwe, being the center of knowledge and enlightenment, would be the ROLE MODEL for ALL OF US TO STRIVE TOWARDS. I'll just go and build a mud hut and put corrupt bureaucrats in office now.

 

[Cynovolans]

outside of the western world its doing well ive heard, Id imagine its doing well in Africa

I'd assume that people in Africa are just trading their traditional creation stories for the Christian and Muslim versions, instead of choosing them over evolution and other scientific theories. In fact a survey found 73% of South Africans never even heard of Charles Darwin or evolution.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

one day an African nation will rise above most European ones in power, but yes Africa is messed up

Europeans who colonized Africa beleived Black people as inferior, More Ape-Like. In fact in Tasmania the British wiped out the entire native population because aboriginies Jaws look different, So they are a missing link, proving that man evolved from apes.

 

[sophie]

one day an African nation will rise above most European ones in power, but yes Africa is messed up

Europeans who colonized Africa beleived Black people as inferior, More Ape-Like. In fact in Tasmania the British wiped out the entire native population because aboriginies Jaws look different, So they are a missing link, proving that man evolved from apes.

I'd just like to point out that referring to Africa as a simple entity is idiotic. Do note that Africa is as large as USA, China, Europe, and then some COMBINED.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

I was referring to a Individual African nation

 

[Methos]

Because from your postings in response to both myself and askthepizzaguy you seem to trust in authority figures way too much and do too little by way of confirmation and fact checking.

I'd have to disagree with you on your statement about reading my posts. You claim to have read them, yet you then state I follow authority and don't do any fact checking. I'm curious, how can you say that when I've stated:

• I agree with evolution
• I believe the Bible is imperfect
• I've stated that some of the books of the Bible are forgeries
• I don't take the Bible literally and don't believe it should be

There's other statements of mine that would also go against what you've said, but you should already know that, if you've read my posts.

I'm sorry but please stop trying to accuse of others what you continuously do yourself. It's not clever, pretty or likely to win you an arguement. That is all I've left to say on the matter.

What is my POV? You make accusations and runaway when asked to back them up, thats chickencrap.

Welcome to my ignore list, have fun talking to yourself.

I have to agree with Berserker. You make wild accusations and then fail to back them up. Heck, you won't even discuss it. Take for instance myself. You've made wild accusations that don't even agree with what I've posted. You appear to be just making stuff up and then claim its my statement and belief. If you're going to argue against me, then read my posts and argue them, not some lie you've created.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

Making snobby comments about people in Africa is elitist

I don't want a unified African Nation, I have absolutely no African blood in me

I was just pointing out that the gospel is doing well in Africa and Asia, but declining in Europe

 

[Seon]

one day an African nation will rise above most European ones in power, but yes Africa is messed up

And by that day, literacy rate in that certain African nation would have gone up. They would also have an effective education system by then, which means that creationism, as it always has, will have lost its footing in that nation.

 

[CELTICEMPIRE]

you just think that, as long as they still believe in God and the Bible, creationism will flow from that

 

[Methos]

It's just my opinion Methos and Kiwitt but I think you two're being very contradictory in this thread. The Bible is wrong but we can learn from it?

Let me clarify. I'm not saying the Bible is wrong, but its imperfect. There are errors in the Bible. Some are due to books that aren't as authentic as stated, are possible forgeries, and some are due to translation errors. Recall the books of the Bible were written by multiple authors and put together later by man, so while one book make not be authentic, the next one is authentic. That still doesn't sound very clear. Sorry. I guess the best way to explain it is that each book needs to be considered separately.

The Book of Mormon was forged but it still deserves respect?

I've known some Mormons that I had very high respect for. They were very strong in their faith and had excellent family values. Both husband and wife were missionaries in Brazil and they knew their Book of Mormon quite well. Even though both I and many others believe the Mormon religion to be based on falsehood, does that not change the fact that this family has such high family values? I see no reason why I can't study and learn from the BoM even though I don't believe in the Mormon Doctrine. The same can be said regarding the Bible and an atheist. Could not an atheist study the Bible and learn from its moral teachings and maintain his lack of beliefs?

Look, if something is wrong, THROW IT AWAY. I don't care if people have been venerating it for thousands of years.

This is where I disagree. If we can learn from it, then I see no reason why it should be thrown away and/or ignored.

 

[sophie]

Making snobby comments about people in Africa is elitist

I don't want a unified African Nation, I have absolutely no African blood in me

I was just pointing out that the gospel is doing well in Africa and Asia, but declining in Europe

And making generalized statements about entire continents is inaccurate.

 

[History_Buff]

you just think that, as long as they still believe in God and the Bible, creationism will flow from that

And proper education will subsequently erode any belief in creationism, just like it has in the Western world. Oddly enough, even religious education has the same effect; we've had a series here on the radio about priests who went to seminary, and in actually studying the Bible, became so disillusioned they stopped believing in God, but by that point they were so far down the rabbit hole that there was too much peer pressure to admit it.

 

[Tacitusitis]

Let me clarify. I'm not saying the Bible is wrong, but its imperfect. There are errors in the Bible. Some are due to books that aren't as authentic as stated, are possible forgeries, and some are due to translation errors. Recall the books of the Bible were written by multiple authors and put together later by man, so while one book make not be authentic, the next one is authentic. That still doesn't sound very clear. Sorry. I guess the best way to explain it is that each book needs to be considered separately.

Thanks, you did clarify yourself with that statement.

I thought you meant the Bible was actually wrong in making some statement or other, so, I misinterpreted you.

You don't believe that, or you're willing to attribute alleged errors to inauthentic, forged or miscopied texts that "aren't what God really wanted to say." If I understand you correctly.

Well now I can see why you still respect the Bible, because you don't really acknowledge everything it's wrong about for details on that, I think there's a thread around here somewhere

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

This is where I disagree. If we can learn from it, then I see no reason why it should be thrown away and/or ignored.

Certainly. The literary scholar in me still wants to preserve such texts even though I don't really have faith any more. It's just like how we preserve the Epic of Gilgamesh, or Skaldskaparmal.