Evil Atheist Thread

CivGeneral said:
Thats the thing with Catholicism, I can believe in Creationism or Evolution. Same holds for the belief in that God created Earth or God started The Big Bang. I myself believe that God started the Big Bang, but it does not make me a "Cultural" Catholic.


Ya could have used the multi-quote feature :p
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Cool :D Then we're both christians :)
 
I understand the reluctance to be disowned - it has happened to converts to our church, we don't let them officially join without parental consent before the age of 18 - but at least it might not be a good idea to accept teaching positions. Since I assume, this is Sunday School, not theology class, and you are expected to teach things from the Bible as though they are true.

Of course, maybe they have different standards. I know that in my religion, when they ask you to teach the first thing they ask is if you believe in God. Maybe your congregation doesn't mind.
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
No, I see nothing wrong with studying religion, or even teaching it. But I do think that if a congregation is going to have someone teach Sunday School, they have a right to know if the person doesn't believe what they are teaching. He can teach theology anywhere, that is fine, but he should be open, in this setting, about what he believes or doesn't.
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I'm pretty sure that, considering the fact that it is precisely what he wants to do with his life, and that he lives in a culture in which he would be shunned if he told the truth, it is best for him to deceive people in this context.
 
kulade said:
Yeah, It is somewhat living a lie, but I have a blooming interest in Christian theology and I fear I'll lose it amongst my church and family if I come out... I just live in the buckle of the Bible Belt and atheism is resented by nearly my entire family. After I'm living on my own (I am 18 now) I think I'll admit to my family, but I fear disownment and disrespect now.
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This strikes me to inspire to open a thread related to this topic.
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
I still disagree - better to be honest even if it may cost you. But whatever, I'm not going to judge anyone for it.
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Well thanks. If it comforts you just remember I'm not out to get anyone, it's just about my surroundings. At my time, there is no other place to practice my trade than at a church; and it's not like they let know atheists teach classes, so I'm in a sticky situation.
 
Eran, dishonesty about atheism is remarkably common. I play Christian in front of my grandparents. The relationships I have with these people are more important to me then the truth.
 
No offense, but it strikes me as dishonest if youre just wearing a mask just to be accepted into a community.
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
Hmm . . . well, I don't think it's right. And sure, some blame lies with those who would let someone else's religion or lack thereof affect their relationships, but not all.
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It's not like we can change people to tolerate us anymore than we can change them to be atheist. The lying is necessary in order to maximize trust, as counterintuitive as it seems.
 
Well, Its not like I'm having fun lying. But, I wouldn't win anything if I were honest now, it's all loss; atheism doesn't reward martyrs.
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
Hmm . . . well, I don't think it's right. And sure, some blame lies with those who would let someone else's religion or lack thereof affect their relationships, but not all.
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I blame them very little, I blame society for making them think that way.

Honestly, Eran, I see my grandparents infequently should I spend the precious little time I have with them arguing about why exactly I don't believe in God?
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
If you think that is more important than honesty, that is your choice. But mo, I don't think it is a good idea to lie for so long about something like this.
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Yes, because clearly I'm going to refuse communion on my grandfather's funeral and completely traumatize my relatives and my family just for the sake of being honest. Hell, my parents demand me to not talk about it. There's far more at stake. It's stuff like this why lying isn't always a bad thing.
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
If you think that is more important than honesty, that is your choice. But mo, I don't think it is a good idea to lie for so long about something like this.
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Perfection is quite honorable for doing what hes doing. I never had a good relationship with my grandparents when they were alive. I'm muslim remember. Sometimes lieing(sp) is better than telling the truth.
 
People who are religious are often only to the point where it is convenient. So why should an atheist inform everyone who is religious that he is an atheist? That might just be inconvenient, a lot like telling someone you have herpes. It's just inconvenient and does nothing.

I have a hardcore catholic grandma, she can keep thinking I am a great little Christian.
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
If you think that is more important than honesty, that is your choice. But mo, I don't think it is a good idea to lie for so long about something like this.
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Well what problems would it cause?
 
It's like if you're married and you bang another chick. Would you tell your wife? ...probably wouldn't help at all. You should probably keep it to yourself.
 
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