Evolution

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How would you describe evolution, I am studing biology and i have never been sure about the evolution theroy, sure some form of it does exist but now it works is different to what most people believe. I mean how do you explain how humans or any living things works and how evolution has made it that way
 
The first thing you need to understand when considering evolution is to look at it 'backwards'. Instead of human inventions, which start with an idea for something with a particular purpose (inventing a bicycle to get you around, for eg), species evolve into what they are because they find a purpose into which they can fit (a cow evolving because there is grass to eat).
 
well, our ancestors began eating on the ground, fallen fruit and dead animals, so we became better suited to walking in order to more easily get the food. we already had grasping hands for climbing, these came in handy for grasping sticks and stones for primitive tools to cut meat, tails became more or less useless and a waste of nutrients so they started getting phased out [as our toes are now].
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not entirely sure if i made sense there.
 
Evolution is what happens when you get reproducing organisms that are subject to mutation. Some resulting organisms will be able to survive in previously unsurvivable environments, other resulting organisms will have a selective advantage and outbreed their peers in their normal environment. As time passes, the appearance of organisms will change.

Basically, life spreads and changes while attempting to survive in its environment.
 
Evolution is what happens when you get reproducing organisms that are subject to mutation. Some resulting organisms will be able to survive in previously unsurvivable environments, other resulting organisms will have a selective advantage and outbreed their peers in their normal environment. As time passes, the appearance of organisms will change.

Basically, life spreads and changes while attempting to survive in its environment.


How did the heart for example evolve, why, what gave the specis such an advantage
 
As much as evolution has everything to do with physiology and genetics, I think a good background in ecology is what really matter when looking at evolution. Take a few minutes to look out a window at the birds in the trees, and how they interact, then add other groups (insects, microorganisms, mammals) to the equation. Then look up when each of those organism came to be in the evolutionary timescale. I think that is a pretty telling lesson..
 
How did the heart for example evolve, why, what gave the specis such an advantage

it didnt, there was no sudden apearance of a heart. It comes from a long line of progression..

From single cells who have no need
to multi cellular who pump their bodies to achieve flow (e.g jellyfish)
to cavitys/tubes directing the flow (eg bees)
to some of the tubes being musclur and pumping (e.g most basic fish)
to a fancy tube to pump (a heart!)

The heart allows efficient movement of liquid throughout the body, meaning the animal can do more things... a very basic example proviide more energy to its muscles so avoid a predator.
 
How did the heart for example evolve, why, what gave the specis such an advantage

Heart valves are reminiscent of vein valves, which prevent the backflow of blood. This is easily seen as a good thing.

Much of our blood is moved due to muscles around the vessels contracting (that's how blood gets back up your leg, your calves and thighs squeeze it back up). A dedicated muscle for moving blood seems to be an advantage; you save calories by moving just the blood, instead of the whole body.

xposted with the above ...

Abaddon's post reminds me; the heart valve is not a predestined result. There are megatons of organisms that didn't evolve a heart.
 
Lets take it back to the very start (assume this is correct)

We have a bacteria repeatedly growing and splitting, a million zillion times over.
Sometimes the dna does not replicate correctly into the new individuals.
Most times said indivudual will die (DNA no longer codes for a correct protein)
but rarely it will be an improvement. The change tweakes the protein so it is stronger.
With this example the bacteria, with stronger proteins can now live in slightly more extreme conditions.
The original bacteria cannot.
The new one can
It breeds more frequently as it has a greater access to resources.
Over years the older "version" dies out because the other out competes
in the meantime more mutations accour and the cycle continued until we rech today :)
 
A thread on CFC is probably among the worst places to learn about evolution. :huh: You'll do way, way better at the library.
 
Well im three weeks from Graduating in a Biology based degree.. so i might have a clue thanks :p
 
We have a bacteria repeatedly growing and splitting, a million zillion times over.
Sometimes the dna does not replicate correctly into the new individuals.
Most times said indivudual will die (DNA no longer codes for a correct protein)
but rarely it will be an improvement. The change tweakes the protein so it is stronger.
With this example the bacteria, with stronger proteins can now live in slightly more extreme conditions.
The original bacteria cannot.
The new one can
It breeds more frequently as it has a greater access to resources.
Over years the older "version" dies out because the other out competes
in the meantime more mutations accour and the cycle continued

Abaddon has already described the basic concept.
The most important thing is the long timeframe. Evolution takes a lot of generations within a given species. If you take humans, elephants or other complex beeings where one generation lasts dozens of years it is not surprising that one cann't actuallay "view" the process. One has to look at the materials provided by excavations to study it.
If you look at simple organisms like bacteria which split (and therefore mutate) very often you can study the process of evolution in a reasonable timeframe.
 
How would you describe evolution, I am studing biology and i have never been sure about the evolution theroy, sure some form of it does exist but now it works is different to what most people believe. I mean how do you explain how humans or any living things works and how evolution has made it that way
To put it simply - evolution is the change in species over time. The public's view on evolution though is more of a collection of things: Abiogenesis and speciation are ones which stand out

Right at the bottom we have mutations in the DNA. Some of these will be beneficial and will give this individual a slight advantage. This makes it more likely to survive and pass on that successful gene. Thus, the gene is likely to spread. Evolution is driven by selection pressures. Imagine a prey in the desert - they need to be hidden. An easy way is to blend in with the sand. Mortality rates will be higher for those less camouflaged, and so the gene for the sand colour becomes more widespread and may eventually become fixed in the population. Another example is antibiotic resistant bacteria. Bacteria have a high degree of variation. Many can exchange DNA between each other. If you use an antibiotic against the bacteria, a few may be resistant. They'll replicate to fill the gap of the dead bacteria. What's happening is a selection pressure is added against those that are not resistant to it, so populations of those that are will increase.

Speciation can occur in similar, but different ways:

Allopatric speciation is when a population becomes divided, so they can't interbreed. eg. Rising sea levels cause an island to be blocked off. We now have 2 populations and the mutations in each population are independent of each other. Selection pressures may differ. They will evolve differently until they are different species.

Parapatric speciation occurs when a small population adopts a slightly different niche. This can affect how the two types breed.

Sympatric speciation occurs when they are in the same area but they don't breed together (although it's physically possible). This could be if some plants begin to flower at a different time. Or perhaps some insects use a different host plant to breed on.

The eye is quite a well documented case on the evolution of a complex organ from a simple one. It's simply lots of small steps. In fact, the eye isn't perfect. It's actually inside-out! The light has to pass through many layers of cells associated with the nerves to reach the photoreceptors. We have a blindspot where the nerve to the eye joins because of this.
 
well, our ancestors began eating on the ground, fallen fruit and dead animals, so we became better suited to walking in order to more easily get the food. we already had grasping hands for climbing, these came in handy for grasping sticks and stones for primitive tools to cut meat, tails became more or less useless and a waste of nutrients so they started getting phased out [as our toes are now].
...
not entirely sure if i made sense there.

sounds like lamarckism to me :-)
the important part is that its individuals and/or groups having particular attributes that fit their environment better than others that prevail within a certain population...
not tails falling of, because they're not needed anymore
 
sounds like lamarckism to me :-)
the important part is that its individuals and/or groups having particular attributes that fit their environment better than others that prevail within a certain population...
not tails falling of, because they're not needed anymore
Lamarckism is still a theory of evolution. It's just the mechanism it was based upon that people ran afoul of for lack of corroberation (and even then not until well into the 20th century).
 
sounds like lamarckism to me :-)
the important part is that its individuals and/or groups having particular attributes that fit their environment better than others that prevail within a certain population...
not tails falling of, because they're not needed anymore

A better explanation...

Tail no longer needed..mkay?
those with smaller tales therefore more survival (less wasted energy)
selection for shorter and shorter tail until all gone :)
 
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