Darth Tribble
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I believe in the Christian God, but honestly I wouldn't really care if there was a God or not.
Existence of God (split from old thread)
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onejayhawk
Afflicted with reason
No. It does not follow. Because of the scale involved, what we see is a time machine--further = older. Things could have happened a billion years ago, or longer, and we have no way of knowing. We can say with confidence is that when the event occurred the universe was still expanding. That is not the same as stating that it still is expanding.
Also, you think in Euclidian terms. On this scale, even tiny curvatures matters.
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And your reason for saying that is?
Thats a very unorthodx pov. I mean the eternal hell was invented for a reason...
warpus
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I am definitely finite in size, weight, intelligence, and all other qualities I can think of.
"The essence of my being" is not really defined at all either, so you couldn't measure it to begin with.
"The nature of experience" seems to me to be demonstrably finite. I have only ever experienced a finite amount of experiences, each one being finite in scope.
There are 0 examples of infinity in the 3 examples you cite. You'll have to be more specific I suppose. What about me is infinite? Walk me through how I'd measure that and yield an infinite measurement. I don't see any infinity at all in the examples, but you're not being very specific, so maybe I'm missing the essence of your post.
Methaphysicaly speaking its the infinite which can create not the finite. You and your experience exist and are part of that infinity.
warpus
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Okay, can you give me one example of something infinite which can create?
Because I can think of plenty example of finite things creating other things, and 0 examples of something infinite creating something.
Its the illusion of the apparent. You and others can create becouse they are part of the infinity but you cant create out of nothing. When you create you use the existing reality which appears to be finite while in essence it is infinite...
warpus
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Yeah okay but so far you still haven't convinced me that anything infinite is involved at all.
As I see it you have two basic options. Either wait till you die knowing nothing more about the issue or use an abstract thinking in either physical science or methaphysics to get you closer to the answer. Both would seem to me are pointing out to the existence of an infinite reality as a solution to the problem.
warpus
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I don't see how me dying proves that anything is or isn't infinite. It just proves it's possible for me to die, which I already know.
That was a joke part. But of course subjectively it has its own sigificance. Basicaly I am saying that since we lack proof on the matter from the physical science we have to theoretise with the knowledge we have.
warpus
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And assume that until we've figured that the universe is definitely finite or infinite, that we just don't know and can't say, but can discuss both possibilities in hypothetical situations
You go first.
warpus
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Assuming that the Universe is infinite, there might be another warpus out there somewhere, who is Muslim and hates bacon
You see infinity is so much more fun...
warpus
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Yeah but I thought we've been talking about reality all along, not hypothetical fantasy
civver_764
Deity
Who do you think you are such that it can be measured?
What is the difference? If fantasy isnt real then nothing is. Besides we both know the significance of imagination for science and the general progress of mankind. What is impossible today under present conditions will be possible in the future. And that also is an infinity.
warpus
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If my measurements can't be measured, who are we to argue about my measurements?
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