Explosion In London

[Gelion]

First off: stop swearing
Second: Not one life is more sacred than the other. I don't remember people opening treads for condolenses for Russian kids in Besland, or victims of Moscow blasts. Are our souls less valued than those of Londoners?
I do feel for the victims, because my country knows too well what it is like. And yet I have a right to be angry or express my opinion on how these things are handled.

 

[fe3333au]

If a thread had been opened I would surely have respected it ... and sent condolences as it was I was in shock watching on the tv ... so why not move to another thread and leave this one free from this endless debate

 

[chancellor_dan]

First off: stop swearing
Second: Not one life is more sacred than the other. I don't remember people opening treads for condolenses for Russian kids in Besland, or victims of Moscow blasts. Are our souls less valued than those of Londoners?
I do feel for the victims, because my country knows too well what it is like. And yet I have a right to be angry or express my opinion on how these things are handled.

You have to be realistic. If 200,000 Iraqis died, it would barely be worth a mention. It's true that no life is more important than another, but still, if it's a Western life then it's bigger news.

 

[Rambuchan]

Um, every single Muslim does believe in Jihad. It's an integral part of the Muslim religion and all its branches/denominations. Very liberal Muslims believe in Jihad just as much as traditional Muslims believe in Jihad. The very liberal Muslims tend to emphasize that Jihad can be of a non-armed nature whereas the more traditional Muslims emphasize the militant, sometimes armed, nature of Jihad and disagree with the modernist, liberal, watered down view. Jihad is an obligation binding on every single Muslim in Islam. So basically you've got an army larger than the army of China ... actually larger than the army of all non-Muslims countries combined! It's similiar to the situation in North Korea where everyone there is basically part of the army, ready to be called upon in a moment's notice.

I won't get involved in this discussion but this kind of post definitely reduces the quality of CFC. It is misinformed, jumps to grossly generalised conclusions, misleadingly splits a faith down the middle into two starkly different schools of thought, fails to understand the nature of the war and the type of 'armies' involved, gives us a totally false view of North Korea and the plight of its people, promoted the notion of a stark division between the West and Islam as interpretted within Bush's Axis of Evil address. I mean I don't think I've read a post on here that was quite so WRONG on so many fronts. And that misleading info is damaging for other people's political consciousness.

I mean READ THE RULES!!!!!!!

Rule Number one:

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[E-Raser]

First off: stop swearing
Second: Not one life is more sacred than the other. I don't remember people opening treads for condolenses for Russian kids in Besland, or victims of Moscow blasts. Are our souls less valued than those of Londoners?
I do feel for the victims, because my country knows too well what it is like. And yet I have a right to be angry or express my opinion on how these things are handled.

Agree wholeheartly.
If someone wants to pick my so far only post in here he'll see what I mean.

How about those who have been killed in Iraq today again?
Did you forget Afghanistan? The battle rages on!!!
Did someone die today in Palestine, Israel, Lebanon?
Moskow, Tchetchenia, elsewhere?
Not today? Surprisingly.

A life is a life no matter where.

And agreeing to Gelion- compared to Beslan, Madrid or New York this was fortunately much less losses.

 

[JoeM]

Might have to open a new thread and leave these guys to it.

 

[Rambuchan]

Might have to open a new thread and leave these guys to it.

Agreed, I have no idea what is going on in this thread anymore.

 

[Gelion]

For expressing condolences? Yeah that might be a good idea. "Explosion in London" does not really limit ppl to this one topic.

 

[JoeM]

(Last attempt)

Guys,

Analysts say al-Qaida is mutating into a global insurgency
Worldwide Islamic Terrorism
Is terrorism a legitimate tactic?

These are but three other threads on terrorism, go ahead and start others if you want, but Dutch politicians, "My death is more important than yours", rascism and lies don't belong on this thread.

If you particularly want to insult me or other Londoners, have a go or otherwise show a lack of respect for the dead, fine - PM me. It's just embarrassing in a public forum.


Luckily no one close to me has suffered directly but my friend is on the force dealing with the bodies and body parts and I know of colleagues losing limbs, we're toughing it out but it's also true we're upset by these events.

Cheers guys,

Joe

 

[Lambert Simnel]

Well said, JoeM.

 

[Gelion]

Well I think all victims deserve our attention. If you only limit yourself to talking about London blasts you are going into "My death is more important than yours" category. Don't get me wrong, I (and I am sure many people in this thread) do feel for those victims. I was shocked and disgusted at 9/11 I am in the same mood now. However sharing the grief with someone who felt it already sometimes helps overcome it. London suffered a terrible fate, but was not the first, nor I am afraid the last target. Maybe some thoughts expressed in the thread will make someone think more about whose who still live and suffer? Grief can lead to anger to or more love. Lets give it a try....

 

[chancellor_dan]

We have to be honest. When we hear of a bomb in Basra or Bhagdad, do we feel the same anger as for London?

Of course we do not. This is natural and nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[anarres]

Well I do, in fact it makes me more angry because I know we are directly responsible for the deaths there.

At least we're only indirectly responsible for the current terrorist attacks (by our own actions in the Middle East). In Iraq we have zero excuse for creating that mess.

I admit I feel sadder when it happens in London, but because I know there are friends and relatives affected by it. If I had relatives in Iraq I would naturally be more sad for that.

 

[CurtSibling]

Well this logic applies to Islamic fanatics then doesn't it?

We'd have to look at it on an individual basis...

But I think we can agree on the general idea.

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[CurtSibling]

First off: stop swearing
Second: Not one life is more sacred than the other. I don't remember people opening treads for condolenses for Russian kids in Besland, or victims of Moscow blasts. Are our souls less valued than those of Londoners?
I do feel for the victims, because my country knows too well what it is like. And yet I have a right to be angry or express my opinion on how these things are handled.

Actually, I did demonize the killers of those kids totally at the time and cheered to see the monsters finally destroyed.

So kindly don't think all we Brits are all blind to the suffering in other lands...

 

[CurtSibling]

You have to be realistic. If 200,000 Iraqis died, it would barely be worth a mention. It's true that no life is more important than another, but still, if it's a Western life then it's bigger news.

We have to be honest. When we hear of a bomb in Basra or Bhagdad, do we feel the same anger as for London?

Of course we do not. This is natural and nothing to be ashamed of.

The above statements are beginning to make me feel embarrassed to be from the same nation as yourself, Danny boy.

Keep that buckie-fulled ideology at the door, eh?

 

[Gelion]

^ + ^^
Now you know why I feel the way I feel. Thanks for your words, it looks like the only thing we can agree on: "all life is equally sacred" .

 

[chancellor_dan]

The above statements are beginning to make me feel embarrassed to be from the same nation as yourself, Danny boy.

Keep that buckie-fulled ideology at the door, eh?

Yet again people are annoyed because i speak the truth. Show me one person in the West who says they are as upset about bombings in Iraq as they are in New York or Madrid or London and i'll show you a liar.

 

[Keirador]

Well, my family's just heard from the last of our London friends, they're all alive, though two were mildly injured near Liverpool station. My sister just returned on the 6th from a year getting her Master's at King's College. Had she stayed another week, as she would have had our grandmother not fallen deathly ill, she would have been in the explosion. Liverpool station is her station, she's there every morning to go out. The bus that exploded was the bus she took to go to her library.

This is more real and horrid to me than the 9/11 bombings. I had never seen the World Trade Center. I know London very well, I've spent a lot of time in most of those stations. My thoughts and hopes are with all Londoners. I am proud of the stoic and brave way your city and your country is reacting to this attack.

 

[CurtSibling]

Yet again people are annoyed because i speak the truth. Show me one person in the West who says they are as upset about bombings in Iraq as they are in New York or Madrid or London and i'll show you a liar.

I am not annoyed, and if you want to play at being cynical, I think you'll find me hard to beat at that game.

But let me tell you were I am coming from, Dan.

I understand where you are coming from, because I am a Glaswegian.
I recognise your religious war banner avatar, and all the falsehood of all the sectarian nonsense.

I also understand the anti-Asian bigotry, borne from the Scots streets, but let me tell you something:

The jihadists are hardly going to care about what flavour of christianity you support...
...You know they'll hack us all up, be we an atheist or a holy roller.

That Muslim guy that sells you the Daily Record in the local mini-market is not the enemy, Danny boy!
We should beware intolerant jihadi-bigot who screams hate at all the Westerners, regardless of individual people!

He paints them all as infidel...Now, does that sound familiar to you?

It should, because you and the jihadist are talking the same language....