Fearing for their safety

[yanner39]

I always thought I needed a garrison in the city when my population reached 4. However, the other day my capital was at a pop of 3 but had 4 unhappies - 3 of them was because they was were crowded and one was fearing or its safety. Is this accurate or a possible bug?

 

[vicawoo]

Accurate, but you have 5 happiness base, 4 warlords.

 

[yanner39]

Thanks. I don't know why I though it was 4 pop people starting getting upset. I've been playing Prince/Monarch now for a few months and only noticed it the other day.

 

[kaltorak]

Thanks. I don't know why I though it was 4 pop people starting getting upset. I've been playing Prince/Monarch now for a few months and only noticed it the other day.

Because you were remembernig your capital which has the palace so it can reach 4 without garrison and 5 with garrison. The other cities only 3 without and 4 with garrison.

 

[NihilZero]

I love how easy it is to appease the people's need for protection. In the age when your enemies are rampaging around with modern armour and mechs, a naked guy with a stick is still quite adequate to make the citizens feel secure.

 

[Deadlylamp]

Yeah, i've got a guy in my town named Phil who does the same thing. I've always felt safe.

 

[yanner39]

Because you were remembernig your capital which has the palace so it can reach 4 without garrison and 5 with garrison. The other cities only 3 without and 4 with garrison.

Actually, I re-started a game today and in my capital, citizens are giving me an attitude at size 3. So at size 3, I have a +4 . I dunno....

 

[Carboniferous]

Unhappiness due to no garrison increases by one for every extra 3 population, starting from a base of zero. So, one unhappy point for 3 population seems correct to me.

The formula is INT(334 * population / 1000).

Funnily enough, helicopter gunships don't count as garrison units, so watch out when you upgrade a bunch of cavalry!

 

[Carboniferous]

Double post

 

[Ataxerxes]

Unhappiness due to no garrison increases by one for every extra 3 population, starting from a base of zero. So, one unhappy point for 3 population seems correct to me.

The formula is INT(334 * population / 1000).

Funnily enough, helicopter gunships don't count as garrison units, so watch out when you upgrade a bunch of cavalry!

Thanks. I never knew the math. That bit with helicopter gunships has always struck me as ridiculous. I regard it as a bug we have to live with.

 

[obsolete]

I regard it as a bug we have to live with.

Careful there, you're going to get all the Firaxis Fan-Boys out there to chew you up for saying that...

 

[happyturtle]

I usually end up trying to upgrade my garrison troops, even though I know I don't need to from a game mechanics standpoint. It just seems /wrong/ to have your capital defended by a longbowman when you're the world superpower.

 

[NihilZero]

Ooh, a longbowman, aren't we fancy? Naked, 6000 year-old guy with a stick not good enough for ya eh?

 

[mgsmuhammad]

No, no he isn't.

Then again, that could be because the Byzantines landed a massive medieval stack on a one-tile peninsula, meaning they HAD to attack the Riflemen hordes in Berlin or get back on their boats.

But, i'm not complaining about the free XP.

 

[Casper84]

Funny how your citizens aren't fearing for their safety if you have 1 warrior on a city in the age of tanks.

 

[lasombra1984]

IMO it would be better to get Fearing for safety & Heredtary Rule bonuses not from unit numbers but from something like Power Rating. For example Archer has Power Rating 10, which decays to 5 in medieval, to 1 in Reneissance & to 0 in Industrial
Thus Hereditary Rule could be a 1 happy face/ N power rating

 

[Deckhand]

Ooh, a longbowman, aren't we fancy? Naked, 6000 year-old guy with a stick not good enough for ya eh?

I don't know why the unit should matter. A few guys with clubs should be enough disperse the idlers and tell them to "get your lazy ass back to work".

 

[Udey1]

I don't know why the unit should matter. A few guys with clubs should be enough disperse the idlers and tell them to "get your lazy ass back to work".

The unhappy face reason pop up says " We fear for our safety, we demand military protection"



If it said "we need motivation" then it shouldn't matter.

 

[Alki]

I usually end up trying to upgrade my garrison troops, even though I know I don't need to from a game mechanics standpoint. It just seems /wrong/ to have your capital defended by a longbowman when you're the world superpower.

The Vatican still has pikemen. The Tower of London still has Beefeaters etc.

 

[happyturtle]

I don't know about the Pikemen, but the Beefeaters are retired NCO's from the armed forces. So, they're basically an infantry unit that provides +1 +2 +1 as long as they're garrisoned in the city.