[Feature] Limited Resource Effects

[Leoreth]

They could return to flat health, or some other effect, not sure.

 

[Ogi123]

Public transportation can have it vanilla effect. Park could have become and/or building.

Looks like this new feature forces you to make strategic choices where to allocate your culture. WAD.


Risk?


Did you actually build something like Sewers before? I could also imagine to repurpose Parks to help with health.


Food storage to Smokehouse is bad because it comes too early in the tech tree. I would also prefer to spread health bonuses across more buildings rather than just increasing existing ones.

Another point here, the number of cities affected by a given resource is not set in stone at all. Bumping grain to affecting 2 cities and seafood to 3 cities is an easy change and would have significant effect.

So currently we have situation that resources give benefit to one to three cities? perhaps standardizing this to one resource per three cities would be way to go.
I have constructed sewers and other buildings in 1.15 and this branch. It's simply not enough when power buildings get you per one, add to this corporations and towns and situation becomes ugly.
By risk I mean that having to much cities risk that some of them will not have crucial / resource.
About from buildings, perhaps get some of those on ones that currently are only useful with resources? For example smokehouse +1, pharmacy +2 etc.

 

[Leoreth]

Well, just like you have the choice not to put culture into cities that don't need resources, you have the choice not to build all buildings that consume power and instead make a choice. I don't know why you are using words like risk when all of these things are completely under your control.

Have you considered that making a decision between two different choices is a deliberate goal of these changes? What you are advocating for is a playstyle that allows straightforward power stacking without any obstacles. That is the exact thing these changes are supposed to make harder.

 

[Ogi123]

Because this is no decision at all? What I mean that this makes small non industrialised cities thoroughly useless. So we are going back to optimal strategy of mega cities and razing rest.

 

[Leoreth]

I acknowledged the problem of mega cities like five posts ago, if you have no further point to make why do you keep arguing?

 

[Ogi123]

Look I understand what you want to do in theory. Forcing player to make some choices in what to build is good idea.
I just want to inform you that it won't work in practice, forced with that type of choice player who understand mechanics will take third way of stacking bonuses in mega cities and roleplaying mongol horde.

 

[Leoreth]

That does not answer my question.

 

[Novicenoble]

I think the numbers of resources need to supply to cities are different from each other per their types. For example, in my current game, I need 3 pigs are required for Monterrey, but 9 rices and 5 fishes are required for the same city. Are there any rules in the text so I can find out about it?

 

[merijn_v1]

You can find how much cities a single copy of a resource can supply in the pedia.

In general it follows this pattern:
Happiness
Hit resources: 10 cities
All other: 3 cities

Health
Animals (available by camp or pasture): 3 cities
Seafood (available by fishing boats): 2 cities
Grains (available by farms or rice paddies): 1 city

 

[1SDANi]

Also, building effects from resources do not need the resource. Smokehouse giving Health with Cows, Mines giving Happiness with Gold, etc.

 

[Temujin8k]

Also, building effects from resources do not need the resource. Smokehouse giving Health with Cows, Mines giving Happiness with Gold, etc.

To clarify, building effects from resources need only one copy of the resource in the whole realm, regardless of whether the city actually has access to it through the limited resource mechanics.

 

[Hussarknight]

How to turn off this ''limited resource'' feature?

 

[1SDANi]

How to turn off this ''limited resource'' feature?

Building effects such as granaries giving health from grain resources don't require access to the resource, which very much helps in low culture cities.

As for disabling it, you can either mod and recompile the DLL or revert to the previous version.

 

[Hussarknight]

Building effects such as granaries giving health from grain resources don't require access to the resource, which very much helps in low culture cities.

As for disabling it, you can either mod and recompile the DLL or revert to the previous version.

I.e. not any really ideal options imo

Does it really make sense that the city where the resource is collected or produced does not benefit from it? Aside from economically. Maybe it is more sensible for luxury goods, but for food resources wouldn't the local communities and farmers consume it first themselves until they have had enough before exporting it to other cities? Isn't it then basically like a hungry man selling off his only meal? Very counter-intuitive. Or am I missing something?

 

[Jarlaxe Baenre]

I.e. not any really ideal options imo

Does it really make sense that the city where the resource is collected or produced does not benefit from it? Aside from economically. Maybe it is more sensible for luxury goods, but for food resources wouldn't the local communities and farmers consume it first themselves until they have had enough before exporting it to other cities? Isn't it then basically like a hungry man selling off his only meal? Very counter-intuitive. Or am I missing something?

They're not getting the resource benefits, but they do get the building benefits.

And often, that's what happened. Not exactly a capitalist farmer selling his grain, but a feudal farmer having to give his grain, or a colony having to give its grain, etc..

 

[Hussarknight]

They're not getting the resource benefits, but they do get the building benefits.

And often, that's what happened. Not exactly a capitalist farmer selling his grain, but a feudal farmer having to give his grain, or a colony having to give its grain, etc..

Ok, but even in a feudal society the farmer didn't have to give ALL his produce. He could keep some for himself

 

[1SDANi]

Ok, but even in a feudal society the farmer didn't have to give ALL his produce. He could keep some for himself

Yes, and that's represented by the food gained from working the tile. Resources represent the abundance of a particular type.

People have had access to iron far before the invention of the Bloomery, but they didn't have enough of it to base an entire unit of an army around it. Just because a skirmisher doesn't require an iron resource doesn't mean they don't have some iron javelinheads and just because a Farm isn't on a wheat tile doesn't mean they aren't growing wheat.

Also, modding the game to remove the resource scarcity mechanic is stupid easy. IIRC from when I was looking at it, all you have to do is comment out a line or two and add return true in its place. Let me see if I can build you the DLL you're asking for.

 

[1SDANi]

CvCity.cpp

// Leoreth
bool CvCity::hasBonusEffect(BonusTypes eBonus) const
{
    return getNumBonuses(eBonus) > 0;
    //return getNumBonuses(eBonus) * GC.getBonusInfo(eBonus).getAffectedCities() > getCultureRank();
}

I added // before return getNumBonuses(eBonus) * GC.getBonusInfo(eBonus).getAffectedCities() > getCultureRank();
and return getNumBonuses(eBonus) > 0; on either the line above or below it. Doesn't matter which.

Just replace the DLL in the attached ZIP with the DLL file of the same name in RFC Dawn of Civilization/Assets

 

[Hussarknight]

CvCity.cpp

// Leoreth
bool CvCity::hasBonusEffect(BonusTypes eBonus) const
{
    return getNumBonuses(eBonus) > 0;
    //return getNumBonuses(eBonus) * GC.getBonusInfo(eBonus).getAffectedCities() > getCultureRank();
}

I added // before return getNumBonuses(eBonus) * GC.getBonusInfo(eBonus).getAffectedCities() > getCultureRank();
and return getNumBonuses(eBonus) > 0; on either the line above or below it. Doesn't matter which.

Just replace the DLL in the attached ZIP with the DLL file of the same name in RFC Dawn of Civilization/Assets

Wow, thanks man! And thanks for helping me understand it. It makes sense now the way you put it

 

[SBlack]

Could resource surplus be transformed in to the food with some end-tech building. Like +5 % food per surplus health or happines. It would incentivize in modern times to modernize your cities and build infrastructure and could somewhat represent immigrantion.