lindsay40k
Emperor
I'm going to stick my neck out here and suggest that Environmentalism should be scrapped and replaced with State Property.
Centralism + Social Welfare kind of stands in for SP... but not very well. Assuming HR is using the existing Global Warming routine, then Environmentalism is a complete misnomer. Reducing the impact of
enables players to build more -producing buildings and thus accelerate GW. That's not a criticism of HR, just a recognition of the weird way Civ 4 works GW. With the GW system being as it is, by far the best way IMO to represent the growing contemporary concern for the environment would be through late-tech buildings that either replace -producing buildings, or else reduce the production of other buildings and factor this into the GW mechanic (not just net city health).
Also, Ecology is an early Industrial tech. I struggle to think of many major governments today that put the environment on a higher priority than attracting international business (or, for that matter, proving that their state-owned enterprises can produce loads more widgets than the private sector of capitalist economies)... let alone any that were doing so around the time of the adoption of steam power, electric lighting or refrigeration.
Don't get me wrong, extra income from preserves is cool, and does a nice job of representing a government blessed with fascinating local flora and fauna seeking tourist revenue and donations. But couldn't this be a blanket effect from Mass Media and Telecommunications (representing people who saw the plight of the French Elephants or unspoilt beauty of the Toku Forests on Discovery or Facebook)? Likewise, other techs or Civics could affect Windmills; Composites, perhaps.
This would open up a Civic slot for a government policy which had an importance in the 20th century that is difficult to overstate (it framed the diplomatic clash between three massive spheres of influence, countless wars and proxy wars, and the brink of nuclear war), whilst still providing an incentive to be more enlightened with endangered flora and fauna - that grows with the development of media sources educating people in that issue, rather than a load of Civs going Green and setting up wind farms before they've even heard of factories. True, it's interesting when the UN tries to force everyone to adopt Environmentalism, but IMO the Kyoto protocols squabble is nowhere near as interesting a part of modern history as the Cold War.
I originally posted this as part of an proposition for new Wonders - the IMF and Comintern - in a thread about Victories. I thought it worth reposting here for discussion.
Centralism + Social Welfare kind of stands in for SP... but not very well. Assuming HR is using the existing Global Warming routine, then Environmentalism is a complete misnomer. Reducing the impact of
enables players to build more -producing buildings and thus accelerate GW. That's not a criticism of HR, just a recognition of the weird way Civ 4 works GW. With the GW system being as it is, by far the best way IMO to represent the growing contemporary concern for the environment would be through late-tech buildings that either replace -producing buildings, or else reduce the production of other buildings and factor this into the GW mechanic (not just net city health).Also, Ecology is an early Industrial tech. I struggle to think of many major governments today that put the environment on a higher priority than attracting international business (or, for that matter, proving that their state-owned enterprises can produce loads more widgets than the private sector of capitalist economies)... let alone any that were doing so around the time of the adoption of steam power, electric lighting or refrigeration.
Don't get me wrong, extra income from preserves is cool, and does a nice job of representing a government blessed with fascinating local flora and fauna seeking tourist revenue and donations. But couldn't this be a blanket effect from Mass Media and Telecommunications (representing people who saw the plight of the French Elephants or unspoilt beauty of the Toku Forests on Discovery or Facebook)? Likewise, other techs or Civics could affect Windmills; Composites, perhaps.
This would open up a Civic slot for a government policy which had an importance in the 20th century that is difficult to overstate (it framed the diplomatic clash between three massive spheres of influence, countless wars and proxy wars, and the brink of nuclear war), whilst still providing an incentive to be more enlightened with endangered flora and fauna - that grows with the development of media sources educating people in that issue, rather than a load of Civs going Green and setting up wind farms before they've even heard of factories. True, it's interesting when the UN tries to force everyone to adopt Environmentalism, but IMO the Kyoto protocols squabble is nowhere near as interesting a part of modern history as the Cold War.
I originally posted this as part of an proposition for new Wonders - the IMF and Comintern - in a thread about Victories. I thought it worth reposting here for discussion.
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in enemy cities when at war
from pillaging and capturing cities
for having state religion present.
