Firaxis is doing live demo of CivBE tomorrow!!!!!

[Breezin]

After viewing the demo, I'm less excited by the game. It does seem almost like a huge Civ V mod.

That being said, I'll surely buy it the day it's available.

 

[Ashbery76]

The game looks good but is lacking the stand out thing AC had.Great atmosphere,art design and lore.This game seems more bland than Pandora in those terms.

 

[Liex]

IMO it's hard to judge a game's atmosphere without playing it.

 

[Osmotic]

Using the term "academic" with negative connotations somehow makes you sound very ignorant.

Please. Ever heard of the Ivory Tower? And how about falsified global warming data? Or the Japanese stem cell researcher who just hung himself after the duplication of research data was discovered? The idea that the academic world is somehow exempt from anything negative is naive, at best. In the context of this game, I expect a science based faction to be academically advanced as well as full of tricks in the espionage department.

 

[shaglio]

Vadim is a male surname to my knowledge.

I guess I worded that sentence poorly. What I should have said was: "I'm not 100% knowledgeable on my Slavic surnames, but if the leader was a female, wouldn't it be Kozlova?"

 

[GeoModder]

I guess I worded that sentence poorly. What I should have said was: "I'm not 100% knowledgeable on my Slavic surnames, but if the leader was a female, wouldn't it be Kozlova?"

Yes...

 

[shaglio]

Yes...

I know, I'm a little late to the party. I posted that response and afterwards saw that 20 other people already said the same thing. I'm three days behind on the threads.

 

[bouncymischa]

Please. Ever heard of the Ivory Tower? And how about falsified global warming data? Or the Japanese stem cell researcher who just hung himself after the duplication of research data was discovered? The idea that the academic world is somehow exempt from anything negative is naive, at best.

So should the term "athletic" be used as a pejorative, given that there have been quite a number of sports athletes who were cheated, threw games, falsified results, and otherwise proved to be corrupted? Nobody's saying the academic world is somehow pure and untarnished, but nor is the field of academics somehow any worse than the fields of sports, entertainment, business, politics, and so on. Why the term 'academic' should be given a negative connotation is beyond me.

The fact that this whole line of discussion resulted from the issue of whether or not the technical term "mores" should be used in a Civ game is particularly ironic and amusing. I remember back when the issue of the inclusion (or lack thereof) of the Pueblo in Civ V came up, and there were forum posters who fell over themselves portraying Civilization as an "educational" game, with people talking about how much they had learned from the civilopedia. Should "Social Mores" make it into the final game as such, undoubtably its civilopedia entry will discuss the concept and the term, and at the very least provide an incentive for people to learn more about the terminology, and perhaps gain a better appreciation for the fields of ethics and sociology.

Of course, it could be that the idea that Civ is an "educational" game is nothing more than a big fat lie. As you say, academics have proven to, on occasion, be close-minded and corrupt. Perhaps video games should be nothing more than mindless entertainment, easily accessible to the most ignorant of players. Effort expended upon doing things like learning new vocabulary or concepts is nothing more than a path to arrogance, conceit, and corruption, after all?

But that is the central paradox, isn't it? Either Civ games are mindless entertainment that should pander to the lowest common denominator, or the usage of technical terms like "mores" is an opportunity for people to learn and better themselves. So which shall it be?

 

[Civdude1]

Long time civ player here.

They need to make the maps way bigger. You can't take advantage of hexagon games ala panzer generals, on these super small maps.

I honestly can't see myself buying this game. I could to even get into civ 5. I wished this game wasn't using the hexs. Sigh

We really need Sid himself to take the lead role in civ 6. I think these lead designers lack the experience and creativity IMO. These guys doing BE look to be like 24,25 years old. Mehh. Not trying to age discriminate, but the past lead designers were much further along in their careers. There just seems to be a lack of anything innovative about the civ series these days. The series had an amazing run, but i feel like its best days are behind. I def miss those epic civ 2/3/4 games even alpha centari games were fun as hell. Watching the videos doesn't really excite me.

Anyhow, I apologize for the horrid typing. On my iPhone...

 

[GeoModder]

I know, I'm a little late to the party. I posted that response and afterwards saw that 20 other people already said the same thing. I'm three days behind on the threads.

The good thing is you still have 2,5 months to catch up.

 

[Osmotic]

So should the term "athletic" be used as a pejorative, given that there have been quite a number of sports athletes who were cheated, threw games, falsified results, and otherwise proved to be corrupted? Nobody's saying the academic world is somehow pure and untarnished, but nor is the field of academics somehow any worse than the fields of sports, entertainment, business, politics, and so on. Why the term 'academic' should be given a negative connotation is beyond me.

The fact that this whole line of discussion resulted from the issue of whether or not the technical term "mores" should be used in a Civ game is particularly ironic and amusing. I remember back when the issue of the inclusion (or lack thereof) of the Pueblo in Civ V came up, and there were forum posters who fell over themselves portraying Civilization as an "educational" game, with people talking about how much they had learned from the civilopedia. Should "Social Mores" make it into the final game as such, undoubtably its civilopedia entry will discuss the concept and the term, and at the very least provide an incentive for people to learn more about the terminology, and perhaps gain a better appreciation for the fields of ethics and sociology.

Of course, it could be that the idea that Civ is an "educational" game is nothing more than a big fat lie. As you say, academics have proven to, on occasion, be close-minded and corrupt. Perhaps video games should be nothing more than mindless entertainment, easily accessible to the most ignorant of players.

Effort expended upon doing things like learning new vocabulary or concepts is nothing more than a path to arrogance, conceit, and corruption, after all?

But that is the central paradox, isn't it? Either Civ games are mindless entertainment that should pander to the lowest common denominator, or the usage of technical terms like "mores" is an opportunity for people to learn and better themselves. So which shall it be?

After serious consideration, let's go for Mores.

As for vocabulary leading to corruption, I would not go quite that far.

There is a simulation aspect to Civ games that can be educational. But the player has to be able to discern what can be applied to the real world and what is pure entertainment. That's not trivial.

 

[DarkestOnion]

This is not "wishful thinking", this is just what? "This would make an interesting hopeful statement for the Russian based faction"... "antiquated ideas like Gender Definite Names"... I'm lost here... How calling a girl "John" or "Arnold" makes for any "hopeful statement"?

There are gender equal names, just as in another languages, I see no point whatsoever for through and through male names being forced upon females or vice versa.

Allowing names to be chosen irrespective of Gender is a hopeful step in my estimation in that it shows substantive Cultural Change in a game that begins 600 years in the future. However, I did not indicate that such names should be forced upon persons real or fictional. I merely offered that it would be a refreshing breeze to see such a thing in Civ:BE instead of seeing only enjoyable techno-babble and the close extrapolations from 21st Century cultures in the lore that they have emphasized thus far.

 

[Liex]

Allowing names to be chosen irrespective of Gender is a hopeful step in my estimation in that it shows substantive Cultural Change in a game that begins 600 years in the future. However, I did not indicate that such names should be forced upon persons real or fictional. I merely offered that it would be a refreshing breeze to see such a thing in Civ:BE instead of seeing only enjoyable techno-babble and the close extrapolations from 21st Century cultures in the lore that they have emphasized thus far.

The game actually starts in the 23rd century, not 600 years in the future.

 

[AriochIV]

Allowing names to be chosen irrespective of Gender is a hopeful step in my estimation in that it shows substantive Cultural Change in a game that begins 600 years in the future. However, I did not indicate that such names should be forced upon persons real or fictional. I merely offered that it would be a refreshing breeze to see such a thing in Civ:BE instead of seeing only enjoyable techno-babble and the close extrapolations from 21st Century cultures in the lore that they have emphasized thus far.

We're talking about a game in which the developers won't make the foliage any color other than green for fear of confusing the audience. This is not a team that's likely to start switching genders around.

 

[ManOfRet]

The game actually starts in the 23rd century, not 600 years in the future.

Actually, that's when the ships are launched from the Earth. The game does, indeed, start in/around the year 2700, I believe, based on several videos that they've shown.

 

[Liex]

Yeah, but I don't think they had all those extra centuries to develop and change their culture, technology, geopolitics etc. The lore is a close extrapolation from the 21st century because it is set in the 23rd, not in the 27th century.

 

[ManOfRet]

Yes, I believe it said that they were frozen cryogenically or something, but still, it does technically begin in the 28th century, not the 23rd.

But I concede to your point.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Pete Murray just Tweeted that they have another Livestream event tentatively scheduled for the 21st.

 

[SupremacyKing]

Pete Murray just Tweeted that they have another Livestream event tentatively scheduled for the 21st.

Good news!! I hope we get to see the affinity screen this time.

 

[Phii]

Is there any info about the next stream.. Will it happen tomorrow?