Firaxis: Patch coming next week

[Mujadaddy]

Burn the Reichstag!!



Wait...

 

[Venger]

"and of no value and hence confers no benefit, which a contract must have to be valid"

Consideration requires bargained for legal detriment. There is no requirement of conferring a benefit. Such reasoning has been rejected for a very long time. See Hamer v. Sidway, 124 N.Y. 538, 27 N.E. 256.

Sidway simply notes that forbearance of a right, or assuming a detriment, is considered consideration (don't use those words together much!) - it doesn't really argue that there need be no value to constitute consideration, merely EXTENDS value to forbearance. It noted that such a forbearance CARRIES VALUE - it doesn't repeal the concept of value being required in a contract.

The taking of consideration without obliging to fulfull the terms of an agreement is not fraud. Failing to fufill the terms of a contract is simply breach of contract.

Yes, I had tried to impart the notion of a lack of intent to fill - that is, if I borrow money and cannot repay, versus I borrow money with no intent to repay, are different things, and I was trying to illustrate the latter...

I was not addressing this. Anyway, you are correct that many, many license agreements purport to waive rights that cannot be waived, or purport to waive claims that cannot be waived. Favorities include things like "by signing here you assume all risk of liability." Ha ha ha.

I think this is common in things like "sign this waiver before leaving your kids/car/valuables here" - where you'd be denied use of the service without assuming all liability, which in most cases only extends to passive, simple negligence... like not seeing the guy break in, versus not having locked the door...

Anyways, LOVE me some Civ legal talk...

Venger

 

[Shynji]

Not at all. He followed the instructions on their website and it killed his computer. That is totally unacceptable. He could probably sue them for the cost of buying Windows XP and win.

Actually, it is his fault, because that only happens when multiple hardware changes are made. Not just one. When installing windows the first time, he should have known that this would happen if he made to many changes.

 

[Trooper4985]

Between the software companies and the hardware companies. Quit the *****ing about things not working... Maintain your computer (stop download all the pr0n) like you should and see what it does for your problem. If you really want to ***** about it being someone else's fault... wait for the patch and see what it fixes. If they don't have the stability issues worked out then maybe you should find a new hobby.

Any news on when the patch is going to be released?

 

[Heliotic]

Lets see. I loaded the game, i played it for 2 hrs, it crashed to the blue screen of doom. Ok. I restarted my computer and went about my buisness, using word and such, the computer crashed again an hour later, and then an hour after that. Then it crashed one last time and that was the end of my harddrive.

Its all "lol" when your a fan boy, but when a game breaks your HD its a whole different matter. But you know, I'm not a bitter man so I hope you never have to encounter this problem.

I don't know if this has been said before, but I do think you're confusing cause and effect here.

Cause: Your hard disk is failing.
Effect: Blue screen after blue screen, and eventually the system just won't boot anymore.

Not:
Cause: I install some software.
Effect: It causes tiny little robots to climb into the HDD and start breaking stuff.

Yes, installing new software (any software!) on a disk that is failing might cause you some crashes, but those crashes will be the result of the hardware failing, not the software.

 

[Trooper4985]

Yes, installing new software (any software!) on a disk that is failing might cause you some crashes, but those crashes will be the result of the hardware failing, not the software.

"You got-you gotta watch out for them forgeiners cuz they plant gremlins in their machinery." - Murry Futterman from Gremlins

 

[pygbe]

I'd like SO much this thread to be free from anything which is not some news on the incoming patch.

So please , arguing people could open their own thread some other place

 

[upstart]

I'd like SO much this thread to be free from anything which is not some news on the incoming patch.

So please , arguing people could open their own thread some other place

same here...some ppl seem to not even want to wait for a patch, theyve already given up on the series altogether from their problems, which is fine, but i think this thread should be more for the ppl who just are patiently waiting on a fix. how about it?

 

[player1 fanatic]

Yes unsubscribing at this moment.

This became off topic long ago...

 

[Scotty Mack]

Can't believe some of you guys lower yourselves to such petty squabbling, most of it only relevant to one or two people with an attitude.

Just to reconfirm, for what it's worth. I think Civ IV is the most wonderful game ever created. It runs perfectly for me, and will approach 'work of art' status I'm sure when they fix the diplomacy bugs.

Thanks,

Scotty

 

[Kwyjibo]

Can't believe some of you guys lower yourselves to such petty squabbling, most of it only relevant to one or two people with an attitude.

Just to reconfirm, for what it's worth. I think Civ IV is the most wonderful game ever created. It runs perfectly for me, and will approach 'work of art' status I'm sure when they fix the diplomacy bugs.

Thanks,

Scotty

Couldn't agree more...(despite the fact that some of you might call me one of 'these guys')

 

[jened]

At this point, anyone could argue that Firaxis is attempting to act in good faith to make good on their end of the deal, and until they just throw up their hands and say "Well, no patches, we're moving on to Civ5", then their is little room to roam legally...

Maybe they should release a Civ4 expansion before moving on to Civ5?

 

[Dark Helmet]

Well, I called the Microsoft hotline and turns out it was actually quite painless. So yay me. I just got the deer in a headlights look when I got that stupid Windows Activation crap. Thanks for the advice on that (good and bad).

Is there a patch out yet? I couldn't find anything at the Civ4 homepage. Hopefully it will fix the initiliazation error along with the Cheshire cat problem. I am not touching that game until I know they got it working.

I am still very dissapointed in Firaxis over this, my opinion hasn't changed (but at least I am not foaming at the mouth). Just because other game companies push unfinished products out the door and patch it later does not make it right, and I by no means believe I am wrong to expect them to take pride in their work. There will always be bugs, I can understand that. The Great Light House in Civ 3 allowing Galleys to sail across the oceans was a bug. Recieving an error upon starting the game with an above spec computer and the latest support software is not a bug, it is a major flaw.

No one should be chastised for expecting a game to work the day they buy it. And I am heartily tired of being told, and having others being told they must have done something wrong to make the game not work, Firaxis can do no wrong! Have you read the instructions to fix the 'Failure to Initialize' bug? Good God, it's more complicated than the game install itself! It is like buying a car and the dealer instructing you how to hotwire it so it will run. I cannot speak for others, but I did not screw up the instructions...instructions mind you, that are a result of Firaxis screwing up in the first place.

 

[jabberwocky]

Dark Helmet, i agree completely. i have had this for about a week now, and have spent maybe 4 hours 'playing'. i have spend almost 8 hours trying to make it play.

when i purchased this i didnt realise i was actually purchasing a poorly constructed lesson in install and uninstalling drivers.

to hell with 2kgames. i hope firaxis can come up with a patch or something. they better make an attempt to win my loyaltly back in a big ass kissing way somehow.

 

[Grimshok]

Just curious if anybody has heard anything new on the 'when it will be out' for the patch?

-- and, yes.. I know it will be 'when its ready'TM. I'm just wondering if anybody has new news on when that may (or may not) be.

Thanks.

 

[Max_x_fire]

Just curious if anybody has heard anything new on the 'when it will be out' for the patch?

I have no idea, but I'd say this coming Friday at best, 3 weeks and 2 days after going gold (19th Oct - 11th Nov), lets hope they have something wrapped up by then!

 

[Scotty Mack]

Nice thinking. Prepare for Friday if only to be pleasantly surprised. I'm going to work on that.
(Cos it could ofcourse come out Wednesday, or Thursday, but I didn't say that, just forget I said that. Friday).

Scotty

 

[Venger]

Between the software companies and the hardware companies. Quit the *****ing about things not working... Maintain your computer (stop download all the pr0n) like you should and see what it does for your problem. If you really want to ***** about it being someone else's fault... wait for the patch and see what it fixes. If they don't have the stability issues worked out then maybe you should find a new hobby.

Any news on when the patch is going to be released?

Ladies and gentlemen - exhibit A... if you wonder why people with problems have no fuse left to work with when you strike a match, it's posts like these...

Venger

 

[Nuh Uh]

In addition to the game bog-down slow-down freeze-up problem around and between 1000 and 1700 ad (from my experience), I hope the patch fixes these problems...(at least):

#1) Soon after founding the capital, all city growth stops (despite an excess in food) and while a portion of the food bar visually predicates the production bar. This problem continues for quite a long number of turns.

#2) There are no workers at the game start. The net result is that you end up just looking at the screen and clicking/hitting enter to advance the turns like 35 or so times, and while the warrior runs around scouting.

Put these two problems together, and you have an INERT game for a long time, and its very LAME in terms of functionality, play balance, and game introduction.

#3) Go to war with a nation, and when available for diplomacy, contact the leader for a peace treaty, and pull up the Trade Screen. Put any or all of their techs in their trade window that you know they'd never trade, and click upon "are these terms acceptable?" (or whatever the prompt reads). They'll say "no". With their Tech still in the trade window, click "what will it take to make these terms acceptable?" (or whatever the prompt reads exactly), and you'll get a 'pop-up' saying that only one side to a confict can offer 'stuff' to make a peace treaty. Close that pop-up window and you'll be able to accept 'your offer' as it has now become their offer for peace. And, ouila, you have all their Tech.

 

[Padma]

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