So raggy, what exactly are you saying here. Unless you can work on your PC you should not be PC gaming. Or are you supporting someone with no knowledge should just dig in and learn. Frying multiple systems in the learning process. Have you ever seen a agp card shoved into a pci slot? Have you worked on a machine that the wrong bios was added to? Have you explained to a customer that with that last mem upgrade he did himself, he some how fried his mobo? No I am guessing you have not. None of these people should have been in the computer. But all of them wanted to play a game that should have worked on there system. They all followed directions given to them and in some cases the directions that came with the Hardware. They did this to the best of there ability and failed. And it cost them. All I was saying was that some people should not be giving advice they can not back up. Which includes walking these people through things and or paying for there bad advice. As for programs taxing existing hardware. If on the side of the box, I read my system must have this that and the other, and I have more then this that and the other. Then there is no reason I should have to upgrade my system. Then there should be no reason to think that program should not work on my system. As for my debate skills. Sorry, I had more important things to do in High school then be a total geek in every sense of the word. Football track basketball parties and girls. You remember that stuff.... oh wait, you don't do you. As for you using my words. I could care less. Knock yourself out there champ.