First Look: Lakshmibai

[uppi]

Her bonus influence from kills is probably far more useful than her incorporation bonus.

Yes, and if she is played by an AI in a war against you, the AI will use that influence for war support against you. I suspect that you will be wary of wars with her on the other side.

 

[Leucarum]

Yes, and if she is played by an AI in a war against you, the AI will use that influence for war support against you. I suspect that you will be wary of wars with her on the other side.

Yeah, as flashy as her incorporate ability is, she's really the "get more of the rarest currency" leader

 

[The Civs 6]

who?

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

who?

I'd admittedly never heard of her before but apparently she's a household name in India.

 

[wilcoxchar]

who?

Key figure in the Rebellion of 1857 and one of the early iconic people of Indian nationalism.

 

[Bug Repellent]

Key figure in the Rebellion of 1857 and one of the early iconic people of Indian nationalism.

I find it funny that it's okay to celebrate Indian nationalism whereas nationalism in the West is condemned. BTW, I'm not a fan of nationalism. Just noticing a bit of a double standard here.

In Lakshmibai's case, her involvement in the massacre of a over sixty British citizens who surrendered during the Indian rebellion is murky at best. And yes, this included women and children. But then again, it's not like Genghis was a nice guy either.

 

[Krikkit1]

I find it funny that it's okay to celebrate Indian nationalism whereas nationalism in the West is condemned. BTW, I'm not a fan of nationalism. Just noticing a bit of a double standard here.

In Lakshmibai's case, her involvement in the massacre of a over sixty British citizens who surrendered during the Indian rebellion is murky at best. And yes, this included women and children. But then again, it's not like Genghis was a nice guy either.

I mean if we are eliminated killers, I think we are left with….
Lovelace,
Franklin,
Confucius,
Rizal??
Machiavelli??

not entirely sure about the last two

 

[Bug Repellent]

I mean if we are eliminated killers, I think we are left with….
Lovelace,
Franklin,
Confucius,
Rizal??
Machiavelli??

not entirely sure about the last two

I'd be very surprised if Machiavelli didn't.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Machiavelli wasn't a prick, he just wrote about them. :/

 

[Urlance Woolsbane]

I find it funny that it's okay to celebrate Indian nationalism whereas nationalism in the West is condemned. BTW, I'm not a fan of nationalism. Just noticing a bit of a double standard here.

In Lakshmibai's case, her involvement in the massacre of a over sixty British citizens who surrendered during the Indian rebellion is murky at best. And yes, this included women and children. But then again, it's not like Genghis was a nice guy either.

We've had both George Washington & Theodore Roosevelt, hardly unproblematic figures, as American leaders, not to mention Queen Victoria, the face of the British Empire, for England

 

[Gorbles]

Has anyone ever seen the AI actually incorporate a city state? I haven't. This will be fun for humans to play around with but unless that gets patched she's basically going to be a blank leader when played by the computer.

I think I have, but I'd need to see it again to be sure vs. just being suzerain. I have a feeling the AI prefers spending diplo on support actions (so many support actions / joint endeavours).

I find it funny that it's okay to celebrate Indian nationalism whereas nationalism in the West is condemned. BTW, I'm not a fan of nationalism. Just noticing a bit of a double standard here.

In Lakshmibai's case, her involvement in the massacre of a over sixty British citizens who surrendered during the Indian rebellion is murky at best. And yes, this included women and children. But then again, it's not like Genghis was a nice guy either.

While this might be appropriate for a history / culture deep dive in another part of the forums, here it's just a kinda funny attempt at a gotcha. As many others have pointed out, it's not like Firaxis don't add problematic leaders in general.

Montezuma, anyone?

 

[stealth_nsk]

Has anyone ever seen the AI actually incorporate a city state? I haven't. This will be fun for humans to play around with but unless that gets patched she's basically going to be a blank leader when played by the computer.

AI often struggles in collecting enough influence for large purchases, but with the leader's discount and preferences, I guess AI will do it much more often.

 

[gbw]

While this might be appropriate for a history / culture deep dive in another part of the forums, here it's just a kinda funny attempt at a gotcha. As many others have pointed out, it's not like Firaxis don't add problematic leaders in general.

Montezuma, anyone?

IMO, warfare especially prior to the industrial age was literally survival. Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, the list goes on and on. In Civ7 however, Firaxis clearly has made a differentiation to what we'll call Modern Age leaders to no longer go with apparently any leaders with a whiff of war on their resume. Instead of Abraham Lincoln we got Ben Franklin and Harriet Tubman. Lakshmibai is as random of a pull as would be John Brown for America. Napolean might be the most modern war associated leader we have.

I said in a different thread that WW2 scenarios playing as Stalin or Hitler or I guess even Otto von Bismarck are a thing of the past, but classic leaders like Gandhi should still be viable options. I'd personally rather play with "problematic" historical figures (I guess Lincoln is that?) than those I've never heard of.

 

[queenpea]

Popping back in to add something that's been on my mind. First, I'll say that Lakshmibai looks like she'll be fun to play, and the character art is excellent. I'm always glad to see more female leaders in Civilization, even if I wish we could move beyond the recurring "warrior queen" archetype.

That said, I find myself far more interested in learning about civilizations like Silla and Qajar than in spending time with these leader spotlights. What really draws me to Civilization—and why I play these games—is discovering all of the unique units, buildings, music, abilities, and civics. This is what draws me to Civ.

If the marketing team is splitting resources between leader videos and civilization deep-dives, I'd strongly encourage them to prioritize the civilizations. The leader videos simply aren't connecting with me.

 

[A_Most_Foolish_Fool]

IMO, warfare especially prior to the industrial age was literally survival. Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, the list goes on and on. In Civ7 however, Firaxis clearly has made a differentiation to what we'll call Modern Age leaders to no longer go with apparently any leaders with a whiff of war on their resume. Instead of Abraham Lincoln we got Ben Franklin and Harriet Tubman. Lakshmibai is as random of a pull as would be John Brown for America. Napolean might be the most modern war associated leader we have.

I said in a different thread that WW2 scenarios playing as Stalin or Hitler or I guess even Otto von Bismarck are a thing of the past, but classic leaders like Gandhi should still be viable options. I'd personally rather play with "problematic" historical figures (I guess Lincoln is that?) than those I've never heard of.

Not saying your argument is poorly informed or in bad faith, but Harriet Tubman literally led a spy network during the Civil War, which led to the success at the Raid at Combahee Ferry, which was so successful that the tactics used there were adopted for similar operations.

 

[moondog385]

That city-state ability seems so fun. Definitely going to give her a try next week. Have really bounced off this game in recent weeks.

And please don’t give us a silly “pirate” civ without like twenty other exploration civs first.

Or just never would be nice haha.

That said, I find myself far more interested in learning about civilizations like Silla and Qajar than in spending time with these leader spotlights. What really draws me to Civilization—and why I play these games—is discovering all of the unique units, buildings, music, abilities, and civics. This is what draws me to Civ.

If the marketing team is splitting resources between leader videos and civilization deep-dives, I'd strongly encourage them to prioritize the civilizations. The leader videos simply aren't connecting with me.

Agreed, the Civ VI civilization first looks were really neat. Since they have their own unique civic trees now, I would say it’s even more warranted in this game.

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

Lakshmibai is as random of a pull as would be John Brown for America.

Joan d'Arc for France seems a better analogue to me, with the caveat that Lakshmibai was a queen and thus within the general understanding of what qualifies one to be a "leader" before Civ VII's changes (though of course there have always been exceptions.)

 

[Krikkit1]

IMO, warfare especially prior to the industrial age was literally survival. Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, Genghis Khan, the list goes on and on. In Civ7 however, Firaxis clearly has made a differentiation to what we'll call Modern Age leaders to no longer go with apparently any leaders with a whiff of war on their resume. Instead of Abraham Lincoln we got Ben Franklin and Harriet Tubman. Lakshmibai is as random of a pull as would be John Brown for America. Napolean might be the most modern war associated leader we have.

I said in a different thread that WW2 scenarios playing as Stalin or Hitler or I guess even Otto von Bismarck are a thing of the past, but classic leaders like Gandhi should still be viable options. I'd personally rather play with "problematic" historical figures (I guess Lincoln is that?) than those I've never heard of.

Tubman was part of the Union Army. (and probably the leader to most recently be actually involved in military service).. (Rizal was a medic, and it seems he is the most recent leader... all the others besides him and Tubman were dead by 1860)

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Tubman was part of the Union Army. (and probably the leader to most recently be actually involved in military service).. (Rizal was a medic, and it seems he is the most recent leader... all the others besides him and Tubman were dead by 1860)

whina cooper is seemingly soon to be added and she died in 1994, so she’ll be the new most recent leader

 

[Nikolai II]

I know that you keep the bonus itself, but I thought that the city state you incorporated would not count towards the X per city state bonuses anymore. The same as if they are defeated (and I think you actually get the defeated notification when you do that).

So I am not sure, how much you really want to incorporate with her. But the influence from defeated units is going to be very good. 20 influence from a warrior would be massive in the early game, especially if independent power units would also count. Combine her with Greece and she could snowball even harder than Tecumseh does.

Once you pick a CS bonus, you just have it. It's not tied to whether the original CS still exist or not. The exception is the effects that count CSes for scale (+1 combat strength per CS etc).