Iranians / Persians called it Iran (Eran sahr = Land of the Aryans) throughout history. Pars is the mainland of the Achaemenid Empire and that name stuck around for us outsiders for millennia.
This is not so uncommon as it might sound at first.
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This is not so uncommon as it might sound at first.
Leyrann
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Ah, that was it.
I knew there was something, but I didn't know what anymore.
Isn't the mainland of the Achaemenid Empire in modern-day Iran though? Which would basically mean there's two names for the same place.
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Persia and Iran are the same place. Inside the empire they were always some derivative of Iran though. In the 30's the Shah asked the rest of the world to stop using Persia and they have been referred to as Iran all over ever since. The issue is, obviously, anything written before the 1930s outside of their borders is going to refer to it as Persia.
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Ancient Pars is roughly today Province Fars.
Guandao
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Since you can't hear Cyrus' dialogue, I wonder which language they have chosen for him. Either Aramaic (like Darius in Civ5) or some form of Persian. I remember some Iranian players or people commenting on youtube being disappointed with the language choice in Civ5, saying Darius was speaking "Arabic". I'm leaning towards some form of Persian. Firaxis might want to avoid this little controversy.
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My understanding is that some people expected Darius to speak Farsi, the language of modern Iran. However, that would be incorrect for the time period. Aramaic was chosen because it was the lingua franca of that time and it was easier to find a speaker for that rather than whatever language Darius would have actually spoken. Medean or something like that.
Guandao
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Actually the language would be Old Persian instead of Median. Darius wasn't a Mede.
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At any rate, Farsi was not, and is not, the correct option.
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There is going to be a "controversy" no matter what. Someone is angry at something, always.
As Siptah explained, Persia is an exonym as old as time, but Iran or a cognate thereof has always been the endonym. In Western parlance, however, Persia tends to refer to the Achaemenid and Sassanid kingdoms while Iran is the modern nation. My statement was a half-joking reference to splitting Macedon from Greece.
I would hope Aramaic, as it wasn't just the lingua franca, it was the court language of Achaemenid Persia. Besides, both Old Persian and Avestan are too poorly attested to readily construct dialogue from, and using a later form of Persian doesn't really make sense when he ought to be speaking Aramaic anyway. (Anyone know what dialect of Aramaic Darius was speaking? "Ancient Aramaic" isn't very specific. I would assume it's Imperial Aramaic, but...)
Guandao
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This is one reason why I was hoping an Achaemenid leader wasn't chosen. With a Sassanid King, they definitely would not have spoken Aramaic. Plus Middle Persian is better attested than Old.
I hope to see both: I see no reason why Khosrau or Shappur couldn't be added in an expansion, for example. Didn't one of the Civ5 expansions add a DLC civ? This would be just like that, but with a new leader to actually justify it...
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Though they're at Iron Working, quite a bit after Archery. And when they declare surprise wars, they have 4 movement.
I think they aren't as stellar as people think. AFAIK, units with ranged attack defend against ranged attacks (such as city strikes) using their ranged strength. Since theirs are the same as Archers, they should be as vulnerable as them against walled cities. But they're much better when deployed against units, since they can be shooting from the frontline.
Photi
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The Islamic Republic of Iran is industrious and bootstrapping in a way not many of its neighbors can emulate. Ayatollah Khomeini led his nation out of servitude, perhaps you should reflect on what it means to be a great leader.
Photi
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I think "Persia" the misnomer has persisted because it is such a nice word (at least in English). It really doesn't do any justice to the multi-ethnic nation that is Iran. Might be similar to calling all Americans "Southerners" or "New Yorkers" since those are nice words too.
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Are you sure about that? I am not at my computer to test this out but I am pretty sure they defend with their regular combat (Melee) strength vs both melee and ranged attacks
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It's one of those funny situations. For so long the Iran was asking for people to stop calling them Persia, as that's not how they thought of themselves. Yet many people who emigrated from that region in recent times like to refer to themselves as Persian as a way of disassociating themselves with modern Iran. So now they call themselves what they've been asking people not to call them for decades
Leyrann
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For me it's Iran, where they speak Farsi and which was formerly called Persia. Oh and right now it has a government I know many people don't really agree with.
You can see the internal trade route bonuses in the video. It's 2 gold and 1 culture from "other bonuses."
I'm unsure what to think of this. Sure, more food and production would be incredibly strong and so it's a bit of a letdown. On the other hand, combined with cards, that's +4 or +6 gold for every trade route. And there's a possibility that the bonus is not static, but increases with eras/techs.
The +1 culture is nice imho. You get it for something that you would do anyway in the earlier game, and extra culture helps a lot here with border expansion for new cities as well as for the civics tree. Given the total amount in the later game, it is probably a rather marginal bonus though.
And theoretically, there is still a possibility, that it enhances food/production as well. The routes you see yield more than +1 from districts of those. Maybe the Persian bonus enlarges the yield per district as well? But if I look at the trade route bonuses of Egypt and Spain, I think +2 gold/+1 culture may be all you get.
I'm unsure what to think of this. Sure, more food and production would be incredibly strong and so it's a bit of a letdown. On the other hand, combined with cards, that's +4 or +6 gold for every trade route. And there's a possibility that the bonus is not static, but increases with eras/techs.
The +1 culture is nice imho. You get it for something that you would do anyway in the earlier game, and extra culture helps a lot here with border expansion for new cities as well as for the civics tree. Given the total amount in the later game, it is probably a rather marginal bonus though.
And theoretically, there is still a possibility, that it enhances food/production as well. The routes you see yield more than +1 from districts of those. Maybe the Persian bonus enlarges the yield per district as well? But if I look at the trade route bonuses of Egypt and Spain, I think +2 gold/+1 culture may be all you get.
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