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Fluoridated Water Again Abolished in Pinellas County, FL

fluoride is not good for the body if ingested. that is why dentists and dental product's labeling makes it clear NOT TO SWALLOW toothpaste.

So if it is in toothpaste and is harmful, in rat poison and is harmful, european countries consider it harmful, then how can it be safe in WATER, the most common liquid ingested by humans. Without consent, too.

Also it just so happens that sodium fluoride is an industrial waste product, and to cut costs, rather than disposing of it properly, it is put into water.

There's too many shifty things surrounding the topic of fluoridation, all it takes is a little logic to figure out that it isn't safe.
Sorry to be a smartass, but...

The dihydrogen monoxide alone makes faucets undesirable to me.

Edit: there's no such thing as "safe" or "toxic" substances. Everything has a safe dosage. Apple seeds contain cyanide, for another example ;) . The question isn't whether they put flouride or any other substance in your water, but whether it's below that safe limit.
 
Sorry to be a smartass, but...

The dihydrogen monoxide alone makes faucets undesirable to me.

Edit: there's no such thing as "safe" or "toxic" substances. Everything has a safe dosage. Apple seeds contain cyanide, for another example ;) . The question isn't whether they put flouride or any other substance in your water, but whether it's below that safe limit.

i understand it, but if they were to put a "safe dosage" that wouldn't be enough to do any significant dental improvement.

I know what you mean though.
Its most certainly not at a safe limit, people don't get dental fluorosis from safe drinking water
 
The majority of the population in the US and many other countries have fluoride levels which are perfectly safe, don't cause dental fluorosis, and reduce cavties by approximately 26% in some instances. The CDC URL I posted earlier clearly shows this to be true.
 
The majority of the population in the US and many other countries have fluoride levels which are perfectly safe, don't cause dental fluorosis, and reduce cavties by approximately 26% in some instances. The CDC URL I posted earlier clearly shows this to be true.

many countries protest the fluoridation of water, and even here in the us, as described in the first post in the topic.

another point i have is water was originally fluoridated for its negative purposes. the main drive for fluoridation in soviet gulags and slave camps was to make prisoners more passive, not help their teeth. i doubt a Nazi worried about the condition of a Jew's teeth.
 

Link to video.
(The video itself isn't relevant, but the comments are, and it's still quite dope.)
I'm kind of disappointed that we haven't had anybody promoting some of the more ridiculous conspiracy theories. I'd really like to see at least someone point to a very questionable link between fluoridated water and low IQ and link it to a nefarious plot to make citizens susceptible to tyranny, ideally making some pun on "dental hygeine" and "mental hygiene."
Edit: Potential crosspost with dominatr. Let's see where he goes with this. I haven't been able to find a non-crazy person source for that claim though, so it look like things might get fun.
 

Link to video.
(The video itself isn't relevant, but the comments are, and it's still quite dope.)
I'm kind of disappointed that we haven't had anybody promoting some of the more ridiculous conspiracy theories. I'd really like to see at least someone point to a very questionable link between fluoridated water and low IQ and link it to a nefarious plot to make citizens susceptible to tyranny, ideally making some pun on "dental hygeine" and "mental hygiene."
Edit: Potential crosspost with dominatr. Let's see where he goes with this. I haven't been able to find a non-crazy person source for that claim though, so it look like things might get fun.

haha are you saying that i am one of them crazy people? i passed that stage of "oymygosh itsa CONSPIRACY".

Regardless of what anyone decides to say, there is definitive evidence that people are resisting water fluoridation. Just putting that out there that this isn't like something scattered. Whole communities are fighting it off. For what reason, i can't say for sure.
 
haha are you saying that i am one of them crazy people? i passed that stage of "oymygosh itsa CONSPIRACY".
It seemed like you might be heading that direction.
Regardless of what anyone decides to say, there is definitive evidence that people are resisting water fluoridation. Just putting that out there that this isn't like something scattered. Whole communities are fighting it off. For what reason, i can't say for sure.

Sure, there are sensible people on both sides. There's just a lot more fringe on the anti-fluoridation side. I would like to see a source for the gulag/concentration camp claim though.
 
There was no commie plot to use fluoridated water to make prisoners more passive in Soviet gulags and slave camps. Nor did the Nazis do anything even remotely similar. These "theories" appear on websites like Stormfront.
 
haha are you saying that i am one of them crazy people? i passed that stage of "oymygosh itsa CONSPIRACY". [/img]
It seemed like you might be heading that direction.


Sure, there are sensible people on both sides. There's just a lot more fringe on the anti-fluoridation side. I would like to see a source for the gulag/concentration camp claim though.

Just defending myself, because there are a good number of people out there who think if you have views differing from theirs, then you are automatically a "conspiracy theorist" The media tends to do this a lot.

Anyway, as requested:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090819164859AAeOcUz
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/teeth/caries/who-dmft.html (in case you don't see it on the yahoo page, although it doesn't pertain exactly to what you requested, i thought it was cool to see it graphed out)
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/11/prweb476136.htm (again not exactly on topic, but its good information)
http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/features/articles/fluoride.html (more crap, thought it could be interesting to skim through if you wish)
http://worldental.org/dental-news/fluoridation-secret-video-footage-released/5152/ (neutral article if you suppose i am being too fringe)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JFLP5k57Y4 (this woman has been researching it for 30 years, watched some of it and it seems pretty good didn't watch all though"
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/02/372602.shtml (fluoride was originally used for nerve gas)
so fluoride isn't the smiling tooth on the tube of toothpaste. Its in some foods because of agricultural practices and china has a problem with fluoride air pollution.

please don't get really mad or something if some of this isn't what you asked for i'm just sharing with ya
 
Here's a site that discusses the Nazis and Soviets intentionally fluoridating their captives.

http://www.fluoridationfacts.com/education/propaganda/870000_perkins.htm

The Statement now returns to the ill-fêted Perkins. "In a letter abstracted from "Fluoridation and Lawlessness" (published by the Committee for Mental Health and National Security) to the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee, Wisconsin on October 2nd 1954, a Charles Eliot Perkins said;-

"We are told by fanatical ideologists who are advocating the fluoridation of the water supplies in this country that their purpose is to reduce the incidence of tooth decay in children, and it is the plausibility of this excuse, plus the gullibility of the public and the cupidity ( meaning covetousness - to desire or eagerly wish for ) of public officials that is responsible for the present spread of artificial water fluoridation in this country. However, and I want to make this very definite and very positive, the real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children's teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper and more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty... When the Nazis decided to go into Poland ... the German General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans and personnel and the scheme of mass medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world... I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly twenty years research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine. Any person who drinks artificially fluoridated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person, mentally or physically."

The Russian connection is further enhanced by the statement of Major George Racey Jordan who was in charge of the shipment of sodium fluoride to Russia from Great Falls, Montana, via Alaska. He queried the shipment of considerable amounts of sodium fluoride to Russia and was told "frankly" that it was put into the drinking water in the prisoner-of-war camps to take away their will to resist. As for the CIA, who ultimately come into this story, the Statement further adds that the 'Rockefeller Report' to the United States President on CIA activities said:

"The drug program was part of a much larger CIA program to study possible means of controlling human behaviour."


NB. An earlier part of the Statement revealed that an advisor to the American Government on "hypnotism" or psychological behaviour control, Dr George Estabrooks, later became Chairman of the Department of Psychology at COLGATE UNIVERSITY.

The Statement also lists all the fluoridated tranquillisers that were on the market at the time (and no doubt some still are). Perhaps it is just coincidence, but the first fluoridation trials were about to begin in the USA in 1945, the year *Operation Paperclip commenced (*Operation Paperclip involved the movement of Nazi scientists to the USA). Until 1945, the US Public Health Service ("USPHS") had resisted fluoridation but that was all about to change, and rapidly so. The previous year, one Oscar Ewing was working for ALCOA as an attorney and on an annual salary of $750,000 - an awful lot of money in those days.

Was Ewing happy working for ALCOA and receiving such a substantial wage? If so, why did he decide to leave ALCOA to become Federal Security Administrator in the American Government at a lower income. Ewing is reported to have said that "he wanted to serve his country".

Consider also that the USPHS, just prior to and possibly during, was part of the US Treasury at the time Ewing was employed. And who was the US Treasurer just prior to Ewing's appointment? It was no other than Andrew Mellon, of ALCOA fame. It is more than a coincidence that in his position he could exert his influence over the reluctant USPHS and arrange for 'favourable' research into fluoride to compel the USPHS to reverse its decision. It has certainly been claimed on more than one occasion that past experiments into fluoridation were not well designed - clearly indicating that such research was biased.

The scientists controlling the research programmes, instead of being unbiased, could be carefully selected to produce such favourable results and so the fluoride bandwagon began to roll. Therefore, appointments to influential positions under Ewing's control became a reality. So why did the Government appoint him if he was going to use his position to further the cause of fluoridation? Perhaps President Roosevelt ('Mr Wall Street' and I G Farben investor), also had an interest in fluoride's 'alternative use'.

This is really just a variation on the Dr. Strangelove angle.
 
The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty... When the Nazis decided to go into Poland ... the German General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans and personnel and the scheme of mass medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plan to communize the world... I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly twenty years research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine. Any person who drinks artificially fluoridated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person, mentally or physically."

Sounds like something from World News Daily.
 
put in flouride, dont put it in, seriously nobody knows if it makes a difference and this shouldnt warrant even the least bit of public attention.
 
Of course that's what an Austrian would say...didn't you see the man saying fluoride was used by Nazis? NAZIS.
 
that whole nazi stuff was just a mask for hitler's master plan to get the whole world population fouridated, thus making them mindless zombies under the control of non-flouridated austrians.
it's still in effect.
 
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