Flynn cops a plea

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm surprised it took him this long to go after the Deutsche Bank connection...

Correction.

The fact that they issued subpoenas to Deutsche Bank just leaked out, but when the subpoenas were actually issued is an open question. By all indications the subpoenas have been long since complied with and the examination of the records is either in progress or already complete.

 

[r16]

oh-kay , New Turkey thinks there's a coup goin' on against New America , that they are kindred spirits and only Trump counts as a friend , etc , etc . Now that am having a nice cold sorry about the lack of the rant and stuff and guess what even this Bharara dude's finest and last work seems to have stalled on that its star witness is a liar . Check Zarrab and stuff .

 

[Sommerswerd]

I think it might be even simpler than that.

Look at what just happened with Paul Manafort. Last week he gets his release conditions relaxed; a week later he gets the relaxed conditions rescinded for . . . teaming up with a Russian intelligence agent to ghost-write an op-ed explaining away his actions. I mean, you literally could not make this up because it is utterly inconceivable that a person would behave this way. Unless . . .

Unless they had been behaving that way for 4 decades and never before faced any consequences for it. Trump is a 70 year old man that has spent his life ripping people off and sexually assaulting women. Refusing to rent to black people and running casinos so badly that they went bankrupt at a time that wasn't considered to be a thing that could possibly happen. Laundering money and committing any number of frauds. And he has yet to face a single negative consequence for a lifetime of terrible, **** behavior. In fact he's now President of the ******* United States!

I don't know that Trump understands consequences. I don't think the idea that he could actually end up in a jumpsuit has ever even crossed his mind. Why would it? He's got a lifetime of evidence that says he is utterly bulletproof. He's failed up so many times he probably believes he literally can't do anything wrong. He's broken so many laws and mistreated so many people and yet now sits in the most powerful office in the world.

Trump's only beef with Mueller is that Mueller makes him look bad. He gets negative press from it. That's all. It pisses him off, but that passes and then he's fine until the next storm. I really don't think Trump believes he will face any actual consequences from this. He probably can't even fathom the idea of facing consequences for anything. Seriously. Because if Trump really thought there was even a hint that he could face legal jeopardy, he'd have fired Mueller months ago. Truth be told, a lot of people would have if they were in that situation. That's why the financial stuff is his so-called red line. That's where the embarrassing truth lies.

I was thinking about this... I'm sure he intended to obstruct justice, but I'm not sure he intended to commit the crime of obstruction of justice. Like you say, its not clear that he was even aware that he wasn't allowed to just cancel investigations into criminal wrongdoing on the part of his administration... or to force people to "stop doing stuff that makes me look bad".

Its this weird situation where a guy holds up the store at gunpoint, gets arrested and then is confused and says "Wait, what? I'm not allowed to do that? I always do that when I need money, how is it all of a sudden not allowed?"

 

[metalhead]

Oh, they talked with a Russian, collusion! In the meanwhile the other candidate buys a "dossier" from an allegedly british former agent in order to thrown some dirt at Trump. Why do you not call "collusion!" wuth the UK, and for the investigation of that the GCHQ, and what the american state agencies under Obama did on behalf of Hillary's campaign? It is the exact symmetric of the trump campaign move, with the differences that Hillary's was more successful, and had the complicity of more people inside the US.

Clinton whataboutism. Awesome answer

Do I really have to explain the difference between ordering a dossier to be compiled, and a conspiracy to disseminate material obtained in a known illegal manner? The emails were obtained illegally. Covering for the perpetrators of those crimes or worse, working with the perpetrators of those crimes to use the illegally obtained emails for your own advantage and to damage your political opponent is a criminal act. It is one of the many currently being investigated.

It's not the exact symmetric by any reasonable look at the facts. One involves committing crimes, the other does not. YOU just don't care to understand the situation. I think the partisan here is blatantly obvious

 

[Gori the Grey]

I was thinking about this... I'm sure he intended to obstruct justice, but I'm not sure he intended to commit the crime of obstruction of justice. Like you say, its not clear that he was even aware that he wasn't allowed to just cancel investigations into criminal wrongdoing on the part of his administration... or to force people to "stop doing stuff that makes me look bad".

Its this weird situation where a guy holds up the store at gunpoint, gets arrested and then is confused and says "Wait, what? I'm not allowed to do that? I always do that when I need money, how is it all of a sudden not allowed?"

Ignorantia juris non excusat, especially in the Chief Efing Executive. Trump's disqualifications for office cannot be allowed as excuses for malfeasance. Mild-mannered me will rise up in armed rebellion!

 

[Sommerswerd]

Ignorantia juris non excusat, especially in the Chief Efing Executive. Trump's disqualifications for office cannot be allowed as excuses for malfeasance. Mild-mannered me will rise up in armed rebellion!

Also... I believe that there are two "f"s in "Effing"

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Soallegedly some of Flynn's business partners were apparently eagerly pulling at the bit to go into business with a Russian company "as soon as Trump rips up the Russia sanctions"...a deal they said would "make a bunch of people very wealthy." Such a 'sure thing' based on inside information from Flynn...does that sound like a deal that Kushner would find too attractive to resist? D'ump Jr? The big tangerine himself?

 

[innonimatu]

Clinton whataboutism. Awesome answer

Do I really have to explain the difference between ordering a dossier to be compiled, and a conspiracy to disseminate material obtained in a known illegal manner? The emails were obtained illegally. Covering for the perpetrators of those crimes or worse, working with the perpetrators of those crimes to use the illegally obtained emails for your own advantage and to damage your political opponent is a criminal act. It is one of the many currently being investigated.

It's not the exact symmetric by any reasonable look at the facts. One involves committing crimes, the other does not. YOU just don't care to understand the situation. I think the partisan here is blatantly obvious

And I call bullcrap on that. No proper investigation tied Trump or even "the russians" to that email hacking. The sole thing point at some nebulous entity called "russian hackers" is a private investigation by a company working for the DNC. They deliberately refused to involve law enforcement in the investigation. Has this Mueller guy even bothered looking at that email hack thing? No. Why not? Because the DNC deliberately destroyed all evidence.

So we have political mud-slinging, based most likely in invented "facts". And we had Trump fishing for anything he could use to do the same, political mud-slinging. That has been how politics were made in since like, ever. You do not just pretend to be offended by what one side does while wrongly pretending that the other side is immaculate. You do something worse, pretend that politics is an immaculate activity where everyone tells the truth, and you are shocked, shocked to have found that your evil adversaries are evil and deceitful. That carries an unbelievable stench of hypocrisy.

Because colluding with an Ally such as the UK is different to colluding with Russian whom is currently a Enemy

Collusion is a figment of the political propaganda. What happened was both sides looking for negative stories to attack their adversaries, and neither cared about the sources. politics as usual there.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

YOU just don't care to understand the situation. I think the partisan here is blatantly obvious

And making himself more obvious with every post.

 

[Broken_Erika]

And making himself more obvious with every post.

But. But. But. Mr. Banghazi and Hillary are trying to undermine America with Calamitous E-Mails!

 

[metalhead]

And I call bullcrap on that. No proper investigation tied Trump or even "the russians" to that email hacking.

Whatever man. Continue ignoring reality if you want. If you REALLY NEED to believe that Julian Assange is still fighting for radical transparency, go right ahead. Just don't criticize me for not being a dupe.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Wait people still think Assange is not a Russian puppet that uses his transparency schpeil (spelling?) to carry out personal vendettas?

 

[Sommerswerd]

Wait people still think Assange is not a Russian puppet that uses his transparency schpeil (spelling?) to carry out personal vendettas?

If by "people" you mean "Conservatives"... yes.

And its "spiel"

 

[metalhead]

Wait people still think Assange is not a Russian puppet that uses his transparency schpeil (spelling?) to carry out personal vendettas?

 

[Berzerker]

wasn't wikileaks the outlet for whistle blowers in our military?

 

[innonimatu]

wasn't wikileaks the outlet for whistle blowers in our military?

Doesn't matter what it was, history is rewritten according to the interests of the tribe. At least in some people's minds.

They would have cheered for the Iraq war if Bush had a D next to his name.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

And making himself more obvious with every post.

They would have cheered for the Iraq war if Bush had a D next to his name.

I take it back, since you seem to have taken it as a challenge. I concede, you have revealed yourself as a one hundred percent partisan hack and cannot make it any more obvious no matter how many comments you make.

 

[Farm Boy]

They didn't cheer Inno. They sighed about the heavy burdens of necessity as we destroyed both Libya and what remained of credibility in 40 years of US foreign policy. Negotiating with North Korea on nukes was always futile, but Libya proved the North Korean regime is following the only sane path it can on armament.

But that's all besides the point. This isn't a thread for thoughts Inno. It's a thread for loyalties. Congratulations, I guess you're now a Civfanatics Republican. Thanks Obama!

 

[Sommerswerd]

wasn't wikileaks the outlet for whistle blowers in our military?

What have you dun for me lateleeeey Oooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, yeaaah

They would have cheered for the Iraq war if Bush had a D next to his name.

As I recall, they were cheering for it in spite of the fact that Bush did not have a D next to his name...Ima go check on that recollection and get back to you...

 

[Lexicus]

As I recall, they were cheering for it in spite of the fact that Bush did not have a D next to his name...Ima go check on that recollection and get back to you...

This is entirely true and I've been predicting that all Trump has to do is invade some country and the liberal establishment will change their minds about him.