Foreign submarine in Swedish waters

[Timsup2nothin]

7 pages in. Glad I could help an experienced naval officer on a little bit in this matter. I suppose you've abandoned your theory about it being on it's way to the Atlantic?! Keep reading and find out why it may have surfaced.

It goes even further into the realm of fantasy?

Remember when I said 'if they knew where it was they wouldn't have to look for it'? If there was a submarine so badly damaged that it had to surface in enemy waters how did it disappear in the time it took to fly out there?

The story was a joke from the start, and still is.

Q: How many Russian submarines are operating in Swedish waters right now?
A: As many as want to.

 

[bhsup]

Q: How many Russian submarines are operating in Swedish waters right now?
A: As many as want to.

That's because Sweden is just a bunch of badge red star licking commie apologists!

 

[r16]

so , is Sweden still a Cold War behemont that must be shown the correct the way about Commie intentions ? Or vily Putin intends to gain Swedes for whatever reason and is framing them Yanks ?

 

[Kyriakos]

I doubt there was anything to this story to begin with :\
Besides, even if this 80s movie cliche was real (ie a Russian submarine malfunctioned and was thus caught), i am sure the main military powers operate such things all around - and some secondary powers too
It would never be a provocation by Russia; they would not stand to gain anything at all by having a sub do that. It sounds just idiotic and unreal.

 

[r16]

swedes could be real pushy during the Cold War , ı hear . And them Russkies once actually drove that Whiskey onto the rocks . Though such incursions are better handled alive instead of looking for and finding nothing .

 

[gay_Aleks]

Or, alternatively, some guy took a photo and then photoshoped the sub into.

You know, Occam's razor.

 

[calad]

so , is Sweden still a Cold War behemont that must be shown the correct the way about Commie intentions ? Or vily Putin intends to gain Swedes for whatever reason and is framing them Yanks ?

In case nobody noticed Swedish goverment nor military has made any claims of Russian submarine. They have only reported of underwater activity. All Russian submarine stuff is from Swedish media.

 

[gay_Aleks]

So, we're essentially discussing an article from what could be called the Swedish Daily Mail? Do you have anything like that?

 

[calad]

So, we're essentially discussing an article from what could be called the Swedish Daily Mail? Do you have anything like that?

Well Swedish navy spend two million euros for this operation so I would not say it was for nothing. Also they have not denied nor acknowledge anything, so if they found anything they have not revealed into media yet.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well Swedish navy spend two million euros for this operation so I would not say it was for nothing. Also they have not denied nor acknowledge anything, so if they found anything they have not revealed into media yet.

"Hey! These anti-submarine warfare exercises are expensive! Is there any way we can get more bang for our buck and get something extra out of it?"

"Well, we could feed the media a 'mystery sub' story. They'll start an anti-Russia frenzy, and those are always good."

"Yeah. Good thinking."

 

[Thedrin]

Well Swedish navy spend two million euros for this operation so I would not say it was for nothing. Also they have not denied nor acknowledge anything, so if they found anything they have not revealed into media yet.

Is that €2000000 total, or €2000000 more than everything involved would have cost by just existing?.

 

[Kyriakos]

Is that €2000000 total, or €2000000 more than everything involved would have cost by just existing?.

The Swedish governing system has zero cost for maintaining sea units in cities with ports

Once they are 2 squares away from the home city though, you pay gold per turn.

 

[SeekTruthFromFacts]

The Baltic Sea has submarines in it. Mostly Russian. That isn't news. It is also small enough that if you think you hear a submarine it could be 'violating the territory' of half a dozen different countries, or might be in it's own territory, or might be in that tiny sliver of international water. Until you pinpoint its location you have no idea what it is doing.

So the entire 'it is in our waters and we are searching for it' is an absurdity. To say it is in your waters you have to know where it is, so why are you searching for it?

But wasn't the whole point that the alleged sub wasn't in the Baltic, it was in the Stockholm Archipelago.

To put it in American terms: there is rather a large difference between looking for a sub in the Atlantic/Pacific and looking for a sub in the Hudson River/San Francisco Bay.

And rather different military and political responses too.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

But wasn't the whole point that the alleged sub wasn't in the Baltic, it was in the Stockholm Archipelago.

To put it in American terms: there is rather a large difference between looking for a sub in the Atlantic/Pacific and looking for a sub in the Hudson River/San Francisco Bay.

And rather different military and political responses too.

Well, given that the Stockholm Archipelago is islands in the Baltic not an enclosed body of water attached to the Baltic it's quite a bit different.

When I said finding a submarine starts with 'Hey, a contact' and leads after a bit to 'it's that way, more or less', it might be a hundred miles that way. With echoes bouncing through all those channels a submarine heard 'in the Stockholm Archipelago' could frankly be pretty much anywhere.

On the other hand, if you hear a contact in San Francisco Bay you can be pretty sure it is in San Francisco Bay, unless you are right in the mouth of the bay. And if you are it's pretty clear that it is either this way (in the Pacific) or that way (in the bay.

Now, if the photo is reliable that's a different matter, but submarines surfacing for a photo op is extremely weird.

 

[bhsup]

submarines surfacing for a photo op is extremely weird.

YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHA!

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Whoops. Should have said other than for a photo op.

Emergency blow testing is a blast, by the way. Among the rare entertaining moments in the life of a submariner. YeeeeHa indeed!

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Link to video.
Seems appropriate.

 

[Groff]

Swedish Navy’s intelligence services confirm that there was no Russian distress call:

Spoiler :

“It was just as interesting for me to read about the Russian distress signal as it was for you. But there was no such thing, the information is incorrect,” the source was cited as saying by the newspaper on Monday.

“I do not know how one managed to mix up things, maybe one has followed rumors? Sometimes it happens that someone starts fantasizing about something, and then someone else fantasizes about something similar, then you think that you have two [independent] reports, and then it becomes true,” the naval intelligence source added

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/2014...-Not-Triggered-by-Russian-Emergency-Call.html

 

[Takhisis]

 

[gay_Aleks]

So, are they nuking Stockholm or what? Maybe they hit a sperm whale?