Foreign submarine in Swedish waters

[Loppan Torkel]

Thank you for reasonable viewpoint. Don't take Zhirinovsky seriously - he is a populist clown and serves merely as Putin's pocket opposition. He has pretty much zero chances to come to power. And yes, what Russia doesn't need for sure, is a war against neutral country such as Sweden.

What's reasonable about it?

Let's see.. I'll take a stab in the dark a guess Ironsided is a stockholmer usually residing in stormfront forums. He's a nationalist-socialist rusophile who not only would take notice of a figure like Zhirinovsky coming to power, but also applaud it. I apologize if I got anything wrong.

I’m Swedish. I am not in the least afraid of a Russian aggression. But my most idiotic compatriots are – we may be the most Russo-phobic nation after Estonia. The Finns are cooler than us for sure. I’d say 90% of the Swedish pop is scared borderline shitless of Russia.

Finland is cooler, yes, but they still have a military worth mentioning, and no, 90% aren't scared shitless.

It’s a tragic. Especially in the light that Russia has no interest at all in Sweden. What is the motive? It’s the first question in a criminal trial for a reason. What would Russia gain from occupying Sweden and Finland? Pine, Spruce and Iron? Russia has that a hundred times over already. And a border with NATO Norway – they would hate that. There is NO incentive at all. There is however a lot of newspapers hot for headlines, clicks and add-revenue. Bastards – capitalist bastards.

Who's said anything about an invasion? I'm sure they'd be happy with just weaker neighbours.

I’d be an idiot not to think Russian subs/aircrafts where not trying out our capabilities. We are the perfect training target. We are modern and we can’t really do much to retaliate. I say bring it. It’s training for us as well.

So, what's the complaint here? If the Russians are intruding, it should be noticed and perhaps Sweden could get their crap together. You agree we should respond to an intrusion, I take it. Not sure what you're arguing really.

Russia would have to vote in someone real special like Zhirinovskij to make me sit up and take notice. Even then I would probably well prefer to be quickly annexed by Russia than be the playground of choice for NATO troops to hold their ground. We all know how that ends up for the civilians by now.

You prefer an annexation by a Zhirinovsky-led Russia before joining NATO? Yea, that's reasonable...

 

[red_elk]

What's reasonable about it?

Well, a couple of simple and obvious things. Like condemnation of russophobes and not being afraid of "Russian aggression".

 

[gay_Aleks]

How would Sweden be weakened if some subs from St. Peterburg are nosing around in the Baltic?

 

[Tahuti]

How would Sweden be weakened if some subs from St. Peterburg are nosing around in the Baltic?

Russians emit an aura of evilness that corrupt everything it touches.

Also, Sweden still has a trauma over its loss of Finland from Russia.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Russians emit an aura of evilness that corrupt everything it touches.

Also, Sweden still has a trauma over its loss of Finland from Russia.

Russia is in the process of carving out a little puppet state in Eastern Ukraine and you don't think Sweden should in any way respond to a presumed Russian sub near Stockholm?

but no, the important thing here is that we should not fear 'Russian aggression'.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Russians emit an aura of evilness that corrupt everything it touches.

Also, Sweden still has a trauma over its loss of Finland from Russia.

I guess that explains all the dead tourists in Black Sea and why nothing grows under 600m there.

Russia, of course.

Dolphins dying?

Russia, of course.

Meteorites flying by?

Russia!

 

[Ironsided]

What's reasonable about it?

Let's see.. I'll take a stab in the dark a guess Ironsided is a stockholmer usually residing in stormfront forums. He's a nationalist-socialist rusophile who not only would take notice of a figure like Zhirinovsky coming to power, but also applaud it. I apologize if I got anything wrong.

yadda yadda...

I’m not a member of any party and certainly not nationalistic. I’m the free-spirited humanist bleeding heart variety. Socialist? Yes I probably am. I find nationalism to be well behind the times. What we need is answers that include everyone on the planet. NATO is an abomination that is not only exclusive but outright unnecessary and even harmful to peace on earth. We need less country clubs and more inclusive cooperation. Fear mongering and calls for increased defence budget or heaven forbid NATO membership is a step in the wrong direction for Sweden. Yet it’s all we get in the papers and on the news. For the first time ever there are more Swedish people who want to join NATO than not - although most still seem undecided. There is absolutely no factual reasoning to this! It’s result of scaremongering. We have nothing to gain and much to lose. NATO membership comes at a cost. Maybe you want your son to fight for Halliburton contracts in the ME. I sure as hell do not.
You got pretty much everything wrong. It happens. Maybe stop stabbing in the dark? Your apology is unnecessary but accepted.

 

[r16]

Meteorites flying by?

Russia!

hah , that's like so wrong . All the world expects a meteor hitting this time next Valentine's Day .

And a border with NATO Norway – they would hate that.

I’d be an idiot not to think Russian subs/aircrafts where not trying out our capabilities. We are the perfect training target. We are modern and we can’t really do much to retaliate. I say bring it. It’s training for us as well.

"their" border with NATO Turkey is actually a place that can start a shooting war , in case Azeri-Armenian clashes somehow spill over .

ı hear the last Russian planes actually overflew Swedish "territory" it was a weekend and the Gripens had closed shop and -ı think- Danes or the French in the Baltics had to launch .

 

[Groff]

Swedish Rear Admiral Anders Grenstad told the Swedish TT news agency on Saturday that what was thought to be a vessel or a foreign submarine was actually just a “workboat.”

Sweden undertook an intense one-week search in late October, looking for possible “foreign underwater activity” near Stockholm.

During the search, the Swedish media exaggerated the story, claiming country’s navy was looking for a submarine in the Baltic Sea, which allegedly belonged to Russia.

Meanwhile, naval officials from Sweden and Russia maintained there was no substance to the reports, which was confirmed by Grenstad.

“From the information we have, we cannot draw the same conclusion as the media that there is a damaged U-boat. We have no information about an emergency signal or the use of an emergency channel,” the navy official said.

A full report of the search operations will be published later this spring, the Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet reported.

http://rt.com/news/249109-sweden-submarine-hunt-workboat/

As always I would gladly link to a site other than rt.com however I can't find a single Western media site publishing this info, can't say that I'm surprised.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

Google Search and Google Translate might help: "Anders Grenstad ubat".

Some captions discernable without translation: "Misstänkt ubåt var arbetsbåt". Are there RT agents in Swedish media?

 

[Groff]

Google Search and Google Translate might help: "Anders Grenstad ubat".

Some captions discernable without translation: "Misstänkt ubåt var arbetsbåt". Are there RT agents in Swedish media?

I thought anyone who wasn't demonizing Russia was an RT agent.

 

[Kyriakos]

A workboat?

Why not swamp gas?

 

[red_elk]

Regardless. It was a Putin's workboat on a recon mission, preparing invasion of Sweden!

 

[Yeekim]

1) How can an above-water ship be mistaken for a submarine?
2) How can this "mistake" be revealed only once an intense week-long search and further five months have passed?

Really, "swamp gas" would've been better explanation.

 

[red_elk]

1) How can an above-water ship be mistaken for a submarine?

To be precise, for a surfaced submarine and from a long distance.
But I suspect the real reason was that Fille and Rulle didn't catch Carlsson and had to find reasonable explanation of what they've been searching for.
"It was... erm... a workboat!"

 

[Yeekim]

This.
Leaving open the question whether they didn't catch Karlsson because he was never there or because he slipped away.

 

[red_elk]

To me it looks more like an artificial media scandal, created to serve some purpose.
Russian trace in this story is entirely speculative and Swedes pretty much knew they won't be able to show evidences, in case if it was indeed a Russian submarine.
And mocking from Russian defense ministry was rather to point out the fact of developing anti-Russian paranoia in Europe.

 

[Takhisis]

Even though I don't much like the EU, they have a right and some cause to be wary. Paranoia, however…

 

[red_elk]

Even though I don't much like the EU, they have a right and some cause to be wary. Paranoia, however…

Paranoia in casual meaning of this word. Assuming a Russian sub is ought to get them, when they saw something which may be not Russian and not a sub or even not exist whatsoever.

 

[Takhisis]

A sub is not out to get them, but there's been too many flyovers from Russian aircraft to say that everything is well and quiet, eh?